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[That Dawg]

I sort of like the vision modes.
didn't like not being able to see someone at the start of the match, but liked not getting pinged as I step off our base on river map for example.
night vision is pretty realistic compared to the old one.
m'eh, keep them- work on other problems.

[Kdogg788]

So far I really like the new vision modes. Makes thermal less the default mode and the gray scale is much easier on my eyes. I like that it's removed thermal as the default vision mode for 90% of the game. It's pretty sad when you had to hit heat vision to go to your blue thermals before even moving your mech. It was that mandatory.

-k

[3rdworld]

Matthew Craig, on 08 March 2013 - 09:06 AM, said:

Bear in mind in the screenshots I'm not zoomed in, zoomed in you should be able to make that shot and advanced zoom will eventually help even more.

Matthew Craig, on 08 March 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

Correct there's actually currently a bug with Mechs draw distance in normal vision that is also being fixed as we speak and will probably be in either the 19th patch or if not April 2nd to address that. So normal vision is your option for long range sniping.

Where you at Matthew? Tell me I was wrong.

3rdworld, on 08 March 2013 - 07:10 AM, said:

Normal vision is worthless. It has no contrast between mech and background. It is still as worthless for sniping as it is currently. See river city. Clear map bases around 1000m apart. Impossible to snipe with normal vision. Soon to simply be impossible to snipe.


Oh look at his post. You can spot a brown spot on a white map. Whoopity do. Most of the maps are brown and it would be impossible to see that mech standing on anything but snow. Certainly not clear enough to hit it consistently.

Behold, the wonders of modern gaming. 5 enemy mechs on screen. 1 faintly visible. I am targeting the one about the farthest away at 800m. Cannot even see it. It is below the full damage range of an ERPPC.

Edited by 3rdworld, 11 April 2013 - 05:16 AM.

[Senior Knight Steele]

I really, really want headlights. Someone please back me up on this. Normal, NV, Thermal, OR Headlights. Headlights are the bomb.

[Wintersdark]

3rdworld, on 11 April 2013 - 04:59 AM, said:

Where you at Matthew? Tell me I was wrong.




Behold, the wonders of modern gaming. 5 enemy mechs on screen. 1 faintly visible. I am targeting the one about the farthest away at 800m. Cannot even see it. It is below the full damage range of an ERPPC.

No hacks or screen altering software, just in-game settings... well, and a wider FOV, which only makes the mechs on screen SMALLER. That awesome in the top left is 1500m out.

It WOULD be nice if it were clearer, mind you... but yeah. Eyeballs have always been the best option without extensive tweaking of the cfg to get super-clear thermal back before the change. I can handily hit specific locations on mechs at 1000m.

Edited by Wintersdark, 13 April 2013 - 04:24 PM.

[Type AE-86]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't the point of thermal to highlight hot running objects? Thus a greater contrast in temperatures = better contrast. So in this case, wouldn't thermal be better in a cold map? in real life, a 7-17m tall mech that carries a fusion reactor with waste heat would definitely show up on a sensor, regardless of distance. Sure it would probably be a very bad resolution wise, with the target nothing more than a blob, so snipers won't be able to snipe as well, but it would give you a indication of where the enemy is.

[MasterErrant]

for those of us who are colorbling or otherwise visually inpaired the NV mode washes out the hud almost compleatly and it doesn't lok anything like the stilles there is so much radiant light that I can't even look at it... thermal is about where I think It should be but now I cannot play long range ballistics at all. so it's a toss up for me.

[shadN]

The new vision modes are great. The new thermal´s range reduction ist incredibly important. Before that the recent game wasted all of its graphical abilities and looked like s***.

Thank you again for the recent changes.

One point though: I think that NVhas a limited range with objects popping up, and I think it should have unlimited range with the same blur effect likt normal vision.

[White Bear 84]

Really did not have the effort to go through 29 pages.. ..so im sure some of this has come up, but here is my 5c:

• Night vision works better on caustic that heat vision - even though its day!!! You can see through smoke for some reason!!
  
• The shading for frozen city... ..well i think you know this one already
  
• Tourmaline desert - If this is a hot map, just like caustic: why are the mechs warmer than the ambient temperature? Heat vision should be highly ineffective in these maps - its seems with the frozen city issue the ranges are the wrong way round
  
• 700m (?) cut off. You can see using these vision modes up until an invisble wall at which point everything apparently ends!?
  
• Night vision often shuts down for no reason

[MaddMaxx]

Current changes to the in-game Lance identifiers get washed out under the new Night Vision mode. It is so bad, separating the Lances while in NV, is nigh impossible. Lance identifier colors need to auto- adjust to the vision mode in use.

[MasterErrant]

I think the new thermal is more...correct. it does make it harder for guys like me (Poor eyesight) to play certain weapons. The only thing I'ld like added to thermal is footprints and weapon hstikes.. A humans footprints can be visible for an hour of more depending on the conditions and mechs are much hotter than humans. Being able to track mechs would be cool.

night vision is completely useless to me now. all I see is a wash of brightness.
would it be that hard to use something that looked like RW NV? I've used that and it ok.

While you at it could you consider a land warrior style"Mickey mouse" mode for the sensoers.

[warner2]

Wow, so many replies to this thread before even trying it in-game.

I use night vision for moving around and shooting at shorter ranges at night (River City Night), and normal vision for shooting at long range at night (River City Night).

I don't ever use thermal vision. I might need to try harder, I think possibly it's useful on Frozen City Night. It does seem marginalised however. Thermal vision doesn't seen very useful now.

[Sadistic Savior]

New thermal looks too much like short-range night vision. I liked it better when it was a "thermalgram" a'la predator or robocop. It does not look heat based...the deserted buildings should not have the same exact heat signature as mechs that are boiling from firing weapons.

[Tao1st420]

New vision modes are great. Y'all did a great job... bluewarrior was hurting my eyes and nightvision is actually usable now and non-interlaced.

[Warge]

Everything ok with both vision modes. Only one thing disturbs me: shadows. Do they have to be absent in these modes?

[Thoman Coston]

On an older thread http://mwomercs.com/...rf/page__st__20 i found this feedback for thermal vision:
"not for me. on ultra high i can see the mechs with thermal XRAY vision. PGI default settings. "

I saw the same thing today. Especially on Frozen City, mechs behind buildings were visible in thermal vision.

[Brkojle]

time for me to comment Night/Termal.

Im Physicist so I always have something to comment on. Thermal...what's thermal in our new thermal view? we have 2 basic colors, black/white ... that would be something that Night vision could offer with passive googles (which are black/green in most cases).

The idea of thermal view is to see differences in object heat emission. The most common application is to check buildings and houses for heat leaking. Where is red u know that u need to fill the holes I use thermal in my lab on daily basis in many applications, have 11 cameras and senzors and all of them aren't b/w.

Some people I talked to told me that military use something similar as night vision view in b/w but that wouldnt be even near what PGI gave us. All in all, really messed up view.

So, imho, we can call this new Thermal - Ghost view...also, colors are so similar that in most cases ppl cant see who is in front of whom. With name change, new view will became logic...this way its really really pain in the ars.

Earlier, we had great Thermal view but (as usual) many people wined and cried here on forum cause you could see someone miles away, so PGI decided to change that. What they should do is to lower the range of Thermal, not to completely change whole view.

As for Night vision, its ok in most cases, again in mho I think that it should be much darker (with almost no option to be used in daytime with simple reason...almost all Night Vision devices use moonlight as light emitor (with no moonlight you couldn't see a damn thing), if you even turn them on during daytime it would broke down). Usually, I use this view during daytime fights to see someone who is far away which is far more than stupid and lets say, tweak. There are some sort of Active Night Vision when device use its own light to see an objects in night but that would be something like Infra Vision or view.


Let's say that this views are still in gamma development, not even close to beta.

I hope you all will understand my point here, idea is to come to this subject from scientific view with my lab experience. Maybe in ~3050 there is no moons and stuff so MechLab ppl made some that would be possible in the way PGI offered us

[Brkojle]

Syllogy, on 01 April 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

Gremlich, Smoke can radiate heat. Smoke does not necessarily reflect Light (Although it also wouldn't let you see right through it).

true but smoke can radiate heat only near to heat source which can (if it can) warm up particles in smoke....gas will change its temperature almost instantly due heat exchange with environment.

Smoke is made up of tiny particles. The particles reflect light rays to all directions, including where we stand. As a result, we can see the path of the beam on the side. You have raised an important point that we can't see the path were it not for the smoke, because there is no light coming to our eyes.

Edited by Brkojle, 10 May 2013 - 10:45 AM.

[DJO Geomancer]

This has been out for awhile, but I never commented on it. Haven't really commented on anything actually

I just thought I'd add my two cents to this.

So thermal was nerf'd because it allowed you to see further than normal vision. Okay, I get that. But why did you now make thermal see less than normal? Why can't they be the same? So now I have very little use for thermal vision. In fact, I only use it on frozen city during snowstorms.

This also gives another advantage to altered gamma settings on night maps. For example River City Night people jack there gamma up through the roof and they can see clear as day across the entire map. But for normal players who put up either night or thermal they can't see as far. They are at a major disadvantage.

This is pretty obvious when players at the lower city start are getting hammered by PPC/Gauss in the first 15 seconds of gameplay. It's not blindfire either, they're hitting dead on.

One final comment. Why is thermal vision being presented like IR (infrared)? IR is a form of night vision, it uses infrared lights to illuminate an area while the goggles/camera translates that image to the visible spectrum. It has the drawback that if an enemy also has an IR camera you will stick out like a sore thumb just like you would if using a flashlight. Regular nightvision just amplifies available light, which has already been mentioned. Go into a dark room for example, and you'd still see nothing with regular night vision (while IR would be bright as day, because you are emitting infrared light to light up the room).

Edited by DJO Geomancer, 17 May 2013 - 07:31 AM.

[cyberFluke]

DJO Geomancer, on 17 May 2013 - 07:30 AM, said:

This also gives another advantage to altered gamma settings on night maps. For example River City Night people jack there gamma up through the roof and they can see clear as day across the entire map. But for normal players who put up either night or thermal they can't see as far. They are at a major disadvantage.

This is pretty obvious when players at the lower city start are getting hammered by PPC/Gauss in the first 15 seconds of gameplay. It's not blindfire either, they're hitting dead on.

Yeah, intentionally running lowest settings means you don't have none physics objects rendered either. Meaning no trees to obscure the view, plus night is day.

Trees need to be rendered on ***ALL*** machines, regardless of performance hit. To lower said hit, render blocky, low-poly trees. You can't just not draw them, it gives a massive advantage to those turning down the settings for whatever reason. It particularly hurts lights and mediums that could be trying to use the trees for visual cover, destroying more would-be tactics.