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[Armored Yokai]

what i am trying to say is that
MWO ecm blocks out everything within its umbrella range
streaks,lrms,targeting,narcs and its annoying to have some 3L come behind you sporting
streaks and medium lasers and you can only fire medium lasers which don't do much on a very fast light mech
while your streaks or lrms cannot get a lockon on this booger
now about that tag
tag is considered a laser weapon
and you cannot put tag with full medium laser bays

[Livewyr]

Why yes.. I want to nerf missiles to obscurity.. that's precisely what I said!


(PSA: There is an area between predator weapon harbinger of doom.. and shiny useless objects..)

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

ForgedByFire, on 08 March 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

I see the difference there
honestly i think ecm should work like TT ecm not the angel ecm suite.

also; angel isnt out even as experimental (DCMS only) tech for three years. Putting in ECM that works as Angel now breaks the timeline.

So why cant we have any mech we want the timeline thing is out the window after all, I want a Longbow!

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 08 March 2013 - 06:14 PM.

[JudgeDeathCZ]

For those ECM-defenders:
How do you want to be Angel ECM implemented?It will block lasers?And will be impenetrable by TAG.
And null-point will block missiles,lasers and balistics too+ will not be penetrable by TAG and we can not shut it down by PPCs right?

Think about that.Our ECM is way more advanced and better than any kind of ECM in TT...how do you want to improve it with better models?

[Pater Mors]

JudgeDeathCZ, on 08 March 2013 - 06:32 PM, said:

For those ECM-defenders:
How do you want to be Angel ECM implemented?It will block lasers?And will be impenetrable by TAG.
And null-point will block missiles,lasers and balistics too+ will not be penetrable by TAG and we can not shut it down by PPCs right?

Think about that.Our ECM is way more advanced and better than any kind of ECM in TT...how do you want to improve it with better models?

MWO is not TT.

TT rules were never going to translate to a real time game, just the same was WH40k rules don't translate to the Dawn of War or Space Marine games.

[Armored Yokai]

Pater Mors, on 08 March 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

MWO is not TT.

TT rules were never going to translate to a real time game, just the same was WH40k rules don't translate to the Dawn of War or Space Marine games.

We Know TT is not MWO
but MWO is largely based on TT but its modified
armor is double...weapons are same damage....heat is same but modified by 1 point or 2
we need ecm to not act like aecm like said at top of this page
ecm needs reduce things and blocka few but not block out ALL like aecm

Edited by Cementblade, 08 March 2013 - 06:44 PM.

[JudgeDeathCZ]

Pater Mors, on 08 March 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

MWO is not TT.

TT rules were never going to translate to a real time game, just the same was WH40k rules don't translate to the Dawn of War or Space Marine games.

Yes I understand you but I am asking how you want to improve current ECM to fit into AECM or null-point...

[Pater Mors]

JudgeDeathCZ, on 08 March 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

Yes I understand you but I am asking how you want to improve current ECM to fit into AECM or null-point...

I'm fine with ECM how it is personally.

[Noobzorz]

LRMs are way too powerful on many maps to not have a powerful shutdown mechanism available. Alpine would become even more of an LRM fuckfest than it already is, for example.

[Armored Yokai]

Noobzorz, on 08 March 2013 - 06:54 PM, said:

LRMs are way too powerful on many maps to not have a powerful shutdown mechanism available. Alpine would become even more of an LRM fuckfest than it already is, for example.

this is why you never go out into the open
lrms were always a open field problem
always hide behind a hill

Edited by Cementblade, 08 March 2013 - 07:05 PM.

[Livewyr]

Inflammatory comment...

usually the people who are fine with ECM now.. are the former LRM criers.. (didn't know how to take cover and not charge like an ***** into the open...and therefor got f'd up because they couldn't handle it.)

ECM is now their god.

[Harmin]

ECM works fine as it is.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Livewyr, on 08 March 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

Inflammatory comment...

usually the people who are fine with ECM now.. are the former LRM criers.. (didn't know how to take cover and not charge like an ***** into the open...and therefor got f'd up because they couldn't handle it.)

ECM is now their god.

these are the ones who exemplify the following statement:
It is far easier to go to the forums and QQ to get a weapon system damaged to uselessness than it is to go into the game and learn to counter it. And PGI has proved in the past that they fall apart in the face of that Q so fast people are hurt by the shrapnel.

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 08 March 2013 - 07:45 PM.

[hammerreborn]

This argument is so new and fresh, like a decade old rotted horse that was beaten to death.

Edited by hammerreborn, 08 March 2013 - 10:25 PM.

[Psikez]

Livewyr, on 08 March 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

Inflammatory comment...

usually the people who are fine with ECM now.. are the former LRM criers.. (didn't know how to take cover and not charge like an ***** into the open...and therefor got f'd up because they couldn't handle it.)

ECM is now their god.

Because nobody complains about LURMZ anymore *cough*

[Volume]

It's really NSS, Stealth armor, and AECM rolled into one.

[DocBach]

ECM works more like two of its three modes were combined. It has the disruption ability with the radar confusing ability Ghost Target mode is suppose to bestow at the cost of disrupt's features being turned off when the user uses Ghost target mode. More or less, it does too much in one mode and should be broken into two different modes.

Also, a big discrepancy is only spotting units inside ECM's bubble should have their sensors fail to detect targets; more or less MWO has it backwards where you can't target 'Mechs inside a bubble from the outside, yet you can target them on sensors within 200 meters (or more with advanced sensors).

[DocBach]

Pater Mors, on 08 March 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

MWO is not TT.

TT rules were never going to translate to a real time game, just the same was WH40k rules don't translate to the Dawn of War or Space Marine games.

Actually, it'd be pretty simple to translate into real time. And all the balance has already been done. In the table top, Disrupt mode serves to disrupt advanced technologies like Beagle, Narc and Artemis. It also shrouds sensor probing and makes it harder to identify a target, and the damage to the target. Portraying that in real time would be as simple as allowing someone to target an enemy 'Mech, but not display anything beyond "Target A" or "Target B."

ECM is suppose to have a third mode we don't have called Ghost Target mode. It confuses targeting systems by flooding them with false signatures. Easy way to portray that would be to put a bunch of fake targets on an enemies radar that show up like "Target A" or "Target B" -- it makes them cycle through fake targets or even get confused by the Ghost Target and attack something that isn't there. In addition the board game gives a +1 modifier to hit, which could easily be implemented as increased lock on time.

One of the best parts about Ghost Target mode is it was balanced by Beagle; when ECM is running Disrupt, it kills Beagle's abilities. When running in Ghost Target mode, Beagle Active Probe can detect false targets. Instead of countering a 1.5 ton passive system with a skill-based system like shooting it with a PPC, we could have another 1.5 ton passive system counter one of ECM's modes while being countered by it in another. Just a little thing called "balance."

[KrazedOmega]

The most annoying thing I find with ECM is it's ability to block friendly mechs from radar. Not being able to see the enemy is one thing, but losing all radar data is too much.

[Hawks]

How almost every ECM thread goes:

Reasonable Person: I think that ECM needs adjustment, because...

Herp-a-Derp Remtards: *BLAH BLAH STRAWMAN REDUCTO AD ABSURDUM*