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[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

Pater Mors, on 10 March 2013 - 05:16 PM, said:

Except where on the score screen it lists you as, "DEAD" in big red letters you mean?

My children understand this is just a game, not real, not life unlike some people who take this game way to seriously and feel threatened by an option. An option that as Aegis stated - "The only reason I can see (correct me if I'm wrong) why people feel that chat disabling should NOT be in the game is because they want the ability to force their communication onto someone else. Yeah, it can be for both mature, and childish reasons, but as the saying goes, "My right to throw a punch ends where your nose begins". end"

Pater Mors, on 10 March 2013 - 05:16 PM, said:

Nobody should have to pander to your children. If you don't like what you see in game then don't let them play it, it's as simple as that.

You and your kids don't deserve special treatment from anyone, period.

I like the game, I like my team, and I like a lot of the people in the community. It's not "pandering" to my children you seem to be worried about, you seem to view this as an attack on your freedoms and it's not, it's about my freedom and the freedom of others to enjoy a game without the bad chatter that happens in game. It likely won't affect you in any way but you freak out about having the option.

[Pater Mors]

Werewolf486, on 10 March 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

My children understand this is just a game, not real, not life unlike some people who take this game way to seriously and feel threatened by an option. An option that as Aegis stated - "The only reason I can see (correct me if I'm wrong) why people feel that chat disabling should NOT be in the game is because they want the ability to force their communication onto someone else. Yeah, it can be for both mature, and childish reasons, but as the saying goes, "My right to throw a punch ends where your nose begins". end"



I like the game, I like my team, and I like a lot of the people in the community. It's not "pandering" to my children you seem to be worried about, you seem to view this as an attack on your freedoms and it's not, it's about my freedom and the freedom of others to enjoy a game without the bad chatter that happens in game. It likely won't affect you in any way but you freak out about having the option.

You don't have a freedom or some inherent right to not be exposed to bad language. That's one of the most absurd things I've ever read. You do have the freedom to not play the game if it offends you.

I'm glad your children know the difference between fantasy violence and real violence but it's still a mite hypocritical of you to be bothered so much about a bit of bad language. What are you going to do about it when your kids hear it at school? On TV? On other parts of the internet? From their friends? Their friends parents? Their other relatives? Their co-workers when they grow up?

[Pater Mors]

Let me make it clear that I support your right to raise your children the way you see fit.

What I don't support is your apparent view that you have the right to impose your views onto anything other than your family life. You do not hold that right, just the same as I don't hold the right to impose my political views or views on abortion on anyone else.

[Vlad Ward]

Werewolf486, on 10 March 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

I like the game, I like my team, and I like a lot of the people in the community. It's not "pandering" to my children you seem to be worried about, you seem to view this as an attack on your freedoms and it's not, it's about my freedom and the freedom of others to enjoy a game without the bad chatter that happens in game. It likely won't affect you in any way but you freak out about having the option.

Despite skipping over pretty much all of the sensible posts in this thread and solely responding to the people blasting you or supporting you, I'm going to continue giving you the benefit of the doubt and try to nicely explain to you that this is simply incorrect.

The option to completely disable chat could be devastating to pick-up teams. While I can understand having the ability to mute voice communication when that is fully integrated, cutting off all communication to/from individual players in a team-only game can negatively impact the gaming experience for a large quantity of people.

If MWO had a FFA game mode, or a 100 vs 100 player game mode, these things wouldn't be such a big deal. But when the crux of the game comes down to small unit tactics, communication or the lack thereof can make or break matches.

As I said before, you are probably better off asking for Private Servers so that you can choose the people you play with, rather than trying to impose a potentially harmful gameplay option on the rest of the community.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

k... can we get the thread back onto the topic of the game and the chat system before it gets locked for being derailed?

[Wired]

Protip: if you lack the parental responsibility to teach your children right from wrong, don't let them play video games on the internet.

[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

Pater Mors, on 10 March 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

You don't have a freedom or some inherent right to not be exposed to bad language. That's one of the most absurd things I've ever read. You do have the freedom to not play the game if it offends you.

I'm glad your children know the difference between fantasy violence and real violence but it's still a mite hypocritical of you to be bothered so much about a bit of bad language. What are you going to do about it when your kids hear it at school? On TV? On other parts of the internet? From their friends? Their friends parents? Their other relatives? Their co-workers when they grow up?

It's not the game that offends me, it's not even the bad chatter offending me, I'm not offended playing MWO. I'm offended by the lack of respect for others views on how to raise their children though. I have the freedom to play what ever I choose and my children can play what ever I choose because they are my children not yours. If I want them to be able to enjoy MWO without chat being a problem thats something will ask for repeatedly.

We talk regularly with our kids about all kinds of things that happen on a daily basis and we approach ever issue we can to let them know what is right and what is wrong.

[Darvaza]

Pater Mors, on 10 March 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

Let me make it clear that I support your right to raise your children the way you see fit.

What I don't support is your apparent view that you have the right to impose your views onto anything other than your family life. You do not hold that right, just the same as I don't hold the right to impose my political views or views on abortion on anyone else.

He wants to be able to turn chat OFF...

How is he imposing anything on you?

[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

Wired, on 10 March 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:

Protip: if you lack the parental responsibility to teach your children right from wrong, don't let them play video games on the internet.

My parenting isn't the subject, we do a great job with out sons. Top of their class, proud of them, well behaved. This thread is on chat options. Please stick to the subject as I will try to from here on.

The only people who will turn chat off anyway don't really pay any attention to it. My kid will only be dropping with myself or his mother in game anyway. So he will be following our orders, no need for chat then. Once he gets use to playing and gets good at it and once we've been able to get him ready for the barage of crap that happens in chat then we'd have the option to turn it on for him and he'd be able to play when he has the time, after studies, guitar practice, chors, and other responsablities are taken care of.

Edited by Werewolf486, 10 March 2013 - 05:45 PM.

[DrSecretStache]

Parenting has nothing to do with this topic. taking offense at the way other's handle themselves is.

Double standard or not, she has te right to ask for a feature. While I would personally prefer a simple filter or ignoring system, if the OP wants to turn the chat off, who cares? It's not like pugs listen to chat anyway.

[Pater Mors]

Werewolf486, on 10 March 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

It's not the game that offends me, it's not even the bad chatter offending me, I'm not offended playing MWO. I'm offended by the lack of respect for others views on how to raise their children though.

Nobody is disrespecting your views on how you raise your kids, or at least I am not.

What I am disrespecting is that you think it okay to do this:

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I have the freedom to play what ever I choose and my children can play what ever I choose because they are my children not yours. If I want them to be able to enjoy MWO without chat being a problem thats something will ask for repeatedly.

That is asking for special treatment for your children because you don't want them to be trolled. Bad luck mister, that's not how the world works. You might not think you're asking to be pandered to, but you are. Either you play the game as it is or you don't.

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We talk regularly with our kids about all kinds of things that happen on a daily basis and we approach ever issue we can to let them know what is right and what is wrong.

If this is really, genuinely, honestly true then that's great and both you and your children should have thick enough skins to simply laugh off the trolls as you laser blast them in the face.

The fact that you're here complaining tells me it's not really true and you'd rather heave the responsibility on to the devs, which is simply wrong.

[S3dition]

Werewolf486, on 10 March 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

My children understand this is just a game, not real, not life unlike some people who take this game way to seriously and feel threatened by an option. An option that as Aegis stated - "The only reason I can see (correct me if I'm wrong) why people feel that chat disabling should NOT be in the game is because they want the ability to force their communication onto someone else. Yeah, it can be for both mature, and childish reasons, but as the saying goes, "My right to throw a punch ends where your nose begins". end"



I like the game, I like my team, and I like a lot of the people in the community. It's not "pandering" to my children you seem to be worried about, you seem to view this as an attack on your freedoms and it's not, it's about my freedom and the freedom of others to enjoy a game without the bad chatter that happens in game. It likely won't affect you in any way but you freak out about having the option.

It's not about a chat toggle. It's about parents and politicians telling the game industry to make changes to products. It's to the point that nobody feels obligated to raise their kids anymore, and would rather force the game industry to remove content that they don't agree with than manage what their kids play. This isn't done with the movie industry, or the television industry, or the book industry, or the music industry. Only the game industry is bullied into making changes, many absurd, because it's considered unsuitable for children.

Sorry, but games are not created for children. They are created for the age group listed by the ESRB. If you do not like the content in the game, do not allow your children to play it. It's that simple. There are many other hobbies they can enjoy.

If your children cannot handle vulgarities included in team chat, then I question their maturity to handle a scenario where you are using a war machine to kill another pilot. There are no illusions to the act killing in this game, as has already been pointed out. Sorry, but you will have a hard time trying to convince the world that your kids can play a game that focuses on near endless war and mass murder, directly involving the child in engaging and killing enemy pilots, but they cannot interact with other humans through the chat functions.

It is not PGI's job to police this game or to protect your children. That is your job. Once again, if the content your children are exposed to in this game is objectionable, then they should not play the game. Period.

[Davers]

Vlad Ward, on 10 March 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

Despite skipping over pretty much all of the sensible posts in this thread and solely responding to the people blasting you or supporting you, I'm going to continue giving you the benefit of the doubt and try to nicely explain to you that this is simply incorrect.

The option to completely disable chat could be devastating to pick-up teams. While I can understand having the ability to mute voice communication when that is fully integrated, cutting off all communication to/from individual players in a team-only game can negatively impact the gaming experience for a large quantity of people.

If MWO had a FFA game mode, or a 100 vs 100 player game mode, these things wouldn't be such a big deal. But when the crux of the game comes down to small unit tactics, communication or the lack thereof can make or break matches.

As I said before, you are probably better off asking for Private Servers so that you can choose the people you play with, rather than trying to impose a potentially harmful gameplay option on the rest of the community.

Why is it ok to turn off integrated in game VOIP, but not in game text chat?