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[Pater Mors]

As an adult the OP has the rights to raise his children however he sees fit but I must question the attitude of sheltering them from 'vulgarity' in today's society. What's the point? I don't see how sheltering children from 'vulgar' language will benefit them in the long run. Surely it's better to let them be exposed and then teaching them why it is wrong to use that type of language.

I also question the validity of allowing them to play a violent video game where the objective is to KILLother people but then worrying about their sensitive little minds being exposed to bad language. Double standards much?

Edited by Pater Mors, 10 March 2013 - 04:21 PM.

[Livewyr]

PGI.. in game chat I don't care about.. but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give us the option to auto-hide posts from certain players... (that we can view with a choice)

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[Barnaby Jones]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kg22qcigOg

Edited by Barnaby Jones, 10 March 2013 - 04:28 PM.

[Adrian Steel]

Pater Mors, on 10 March 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

I also question the validity of allowing them to play a violent video game where the objective is to KILLother people but then worrying about their sensitive little minds being exposed to bad language. Double standards much?

This was always a source of great amusement to me. Lots of people from the US Bible belt subscribe to it though.

Maybe it's important to learn to kill others politely? Can't say I disagree.

[New Breed]

Livewyr, on 10 March 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

PGI.. in game chat I don't care about.. but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give us the option to auto-hide posts from certain players... (that we can view with a choice)

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You can.. which I used for the first time thanks to this thread

Click profile, top right
then forum profile
then edit my profile

This will bring up an ignore preference on the left hand side

Sloppy as hell system, but it's there.

[Pater Mors]

Adrian Steel, on 10 March 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

This was always a source of great amusement to me. Lots of people from the US Bible belt subscribe to it though.

Maybe it's important to learn to kill others politely? Can't say I disagree.

"Daddy look I just mass murdered half the people on my map and got high score!"

"Congratulations darling! That's fantastic work."

"*%&$(ing A"

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[Tarman]

War Violence=YAAAAAY

Cursing=EVIL

.______________________.


Time to get your messages straight. Plus, don't try to water down the world for your children, raise your children to be strong enough to face the world. BIG difference.

[Darvaza]

Gremlich Johns, on 10 March 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

It is strange how you label a person a troll because they are not buying what you're selling. FWIT, Christians tend to be the ones sheltering their children from what they believe to be "evil", hence my use of Christiangamer.com. I could care less what your religion is or if you even belong to one, proceeding through the world with on/off as the only option is narrow-minded and archaic - almost Dark Ages (no, not the BT version). The only way you are going to keep your kids from being exposed to the real trolls is to home-school them and pick their playmates yourself. You may not be locking them up in their rooms, but you are trying to keep their minds under a rock. Have you considered Skinner's work?

You dont pay attention to the real religion which still acts like it is the dark ages. Guess you are afraid of them....

[Shismar]

Worrying about some swear words but letting their kids play online shooters? As I see in this thread I am not the only one who finds that slightly strange.

If this game had a real chat system then some kind of filter might be useful for those sensitive types. Optional please, it is such a pain to circumvent them when they arbitrary filter words in foreign languages. Same as blacklist functions for individual players. Usually then there might be some options about which channels to see. But the actual team channel in matches should never be muted.

[DrSecretStache]

@ op, if you read this post, would you be willing to settle with an in-game filter for chat, or an ignore feature?

[The Cheese]

Pater Mors, on 10 March 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

I also question the validity of allowing them to play a violent video game where the objective is to KILLother people but then worrying about their sensitive little minds being exposed to bad language. Double standards much?

There's no killing of "people" in MWO. There's blowing up big robots. Kids routinely see worse in the morning cartoons.

Yes, I realise that the chat windows says "player X has killed player Y". You don't see the pilot die. You don't see his blood or hear him cry out. After the start up sequence, he might as well not even be there. Even the "death" screen notes that you have been "destroyed" rather than killed. For a shooter, this is about as clean and kid friendly as you can get, short of painting all the weapongs orange and yellow and stamping "nerf" on the side.

Edited by The Cheese, 10 March 2013 - 05:01 PM.

[Pater Mors]

The Cheese, on 10 March 2013 - 04:56 PM, said:

There's no killing of "people" in MWO. There's blowing up big robots. Kids routinely see worse in the morning cartoons.

It's the same thing and you can't tell me that every single pilot survives getting a instant death cockpit shot. Also chances are if they are playing this violent game, they're playing other violent games.

The point is:

Violence = Perfectly fine for kids.
Bad language = Not perfectly fine for kids.

An obvious double standard (edit) and a very black and white view of the world. In reality a little bit of both in moderation is fine as long as it's clearly taught where the boundaries are. (/edit). It's okay for little Timmy to punch his school peer in the face on the playground as long as he doesn't call him names while he's doing it.

Edited by Pater Mors, 10 March 2013 - 05:05 PM.

[Adrian Steel]

The Cheese, on 10 March 2013 - 04:56 PM, said:

There's no killing of "people" in MWO.

ORLY?

Maybe it takes a few years under your belt to put "broken machine" and -85 Celsius environment together to make dead people.

Let's also ignore the fact that the end-game screen shows the losing team as "dead."

You can see that you're a human piloting the machine when the game starts.

Edited by Adrian Steel, 10 March 2013 - 05:03 PM.

[Aegis Kleais]

Out of sight, out of mind.

Making the chat disable-capable gives people the freedom to choose what they want. Just because you tell someone to ignore what's being said doesn't mean it's easy to do so.

This reminds me of a feature that helps some and hurts NOBODY, and yet you'll have people against it. We're not talking about defaulting everyone to disabled chat; we're talking about adding the ability to disable it at will.

The only reason I can see (correct me if I'm wrong) why people feel that chat disabling should NOT be in the game is because they want the ability to force their communication onto someone else. Yeah, it can be for both mature, and childish reasons, but as the saying goes, "My right to throw a punch ends where your nose begins".

[The Cheese]

Pater Mors, on 10 March 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

It's the same thing and you can't tell me that every single pilot survives getting a instant death cockpit shot. Also chances are if they are playing this violent game, they're playing other violent games.

But it's not. You don't actually see a person get harmed. Ever. There's no evidence of harm or death at any time.

Pater Mors, on 10 March 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

Violence = Perfectly fine for kids.
Bad language = Not perfectly fine for kids.

An obvious double standard. It's okay for little Timmy to punch his school peer in the face on the playground as long as he doesn't call him names while he's doing it.

No, Violence is not "perfectly fine for kids". I don't think anyone is arguing that point.

[The Cheese]

Adrian Steel, on 10 March 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

ORLY?

Maybe it takes a few years under your belt to put "broken machine" and -85 Celsius environment together to make dead people.

Let's also ignore the fact that the end-game screen shows the losing team as "dead."

You can see that you're a human piloting the machine when the game starts.

YARLY. Kids will probably understand that their character has died, but the important point here is that you don't see the person die or get harmed. The concept of death is there, but it's a detached experience. Like I said, there's no pain or blood or gore. It's a very important distinction when considering the effects that it may have on impressionable minds.

[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

Aegis Kleais, on 10 March 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

Out of sight, out of mind.

Making the chat disable-capable gives people the freedom to choose what they want. Just because you tell someone to ignore what's being said doesn't mean it's easy to do so.

This reminds me of a feature that helps some and hurts NOBODY, and yet you'll have people against it. We're not talking about defaulting everyone to disabled chat; we're talking about adding the ability to disable it at will.

The only reason I can see (correct me if I'm wrong) why people feel that chat disabling should NOT be in the game is because they want the ability to force their communication onto someone else. Yeah, it can be for both mature, and childish reasons, but as the saying goes, "My right to throw a punch ends where your nose begins".

This, completely and thank you!

As for the violence they see...it's a game and I raised my children to know it's a game. They play lego Batman and Lego Star Wars which has the bad guys blowing up, yet they know it's just a game and nobody gets hurt. I'VE raised my children to know the difference between blowing up. killing, or destroying bad guys in a game though, not some community rampent with people who would rather troll a 10 year old boy for his lack luster performance in a GAME then give people the ability to raise their children how they see fit.

[Pater Mors]

The Cheese, on 10 March 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

But it's not. You don't actually see a person get harmed. Ever. There's no evidence of harm or death at any time.

Except where on the score screen it lists you as, "DEAD" in big red letters you mean?

The Cheese, on 10 March 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

No, Violence is not "perfectly fine for kids". I don't think anyone is arguing that point.

Nit picking. The double standard holds. Teach your kids not to swear but let them play violent video games; to a child that says 'violence is okay and even rewarded in some situations, swearing is not okay and is always punished.' when in reality it's basically the complete opposite of that.

Werewolf486, on 10 March 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

This, completely and thank you!

As for the violence they see...it's a game and I raised my children to know it's a game. They play lego Batman and Lego Star Wars which has the bad guys blowing up, yet they know it's just a game and nobody gets hurt. I'VE raised my children to know the difference between blowing up. killing, or destroying bad guys in a game though, not some community rampent with people who would rather troll a 10 year old boy for his lack luster performance in a GAME then give people the ability to raise their children how they see fit.

Nobody should have to pander to your children. If you don't like what you see in game then don't let them play it, it's as simple as that.

You and your kids don't deserve special treatment from anyone, period.

Edited by Pater Mors, 10 March 2013 - 05:17 PM.

[Deamhan]

Particle Man, on 10 March 2013 - 12:49 PM, said:

Oh, what a good idea! take away even more forms of communication in a team game.

why dont you loner types just stick to single player games if you want to shut yourself away from other people so badly?

While I do agree with what you are saying, solo player AI is crappy. It's too predictable and therefore, too easy to beat.

darkfall13, on 10 March 2013 - 03:34 PM, said:

I lost ALL respect for your post and any open mindedness I had for this thread once I got here:



Don't open the can of worms of gun control/gun rights (people "went to school with guns" before the advent of in game chat; hell you used to be able to bring your rifle to class say if you were hunting before school. And the other points; rob stores, whatever **** is, is that the F word? Where'd your kids come from anyway?, kill, AND do things worse, even before the Internet was even invented). AND likewise YOU don't know how to raise OUR kids.

Plus ever hear of "Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB"



Guess what you're playing? Well your children... good call on the shielding them from potty mouths and real world guns in a game about walking tanks with guns that put our modern technology to shame...

Might want to brush up on this: http://www.esrb.org/...tings_guide.jsp

AND you even pointed out they're not even old enough to agree to the terms of the ToS YOU signed. So this argument is irrelevant, they shouldn't be on here, end of story.

Quoted for truth.

The problems were there before. It's just seen as a bigger issue now than it once was. Maybe society has gotten more sensitive to it, or maybe media outlets blow it up to be bigger than it is. I think it's a combination of both. Add to that, people wanting to "go out in a blaze of glory" to make a statement are more inclined to do so if they know that they are gonna hit the global news because they used an illegally purchased and non registered gun.

I can understand to some extent though where the person is coming from. A childs upbringing is influenced by every facet of their life. In todays world with easily accessable, anonymous, global communication, it seems that the % of the parents influence on their child became smaller. For better or worse.

However, this game, due to its nature is simply not age approprate for a 10 year old. They can not put a rating on the online content because they can not control what the other player is gonna say.

While blocking the chat completely is a bit excessive, I don't see why they could apply the same language filter they use on these forums. In fact, most (if not all) MMOs I've played have these filters in their in-game chat and are on by default with the option to turn them off.

When I was growing up, when my dad said jump, I jumped. I didn't bother to ask how high because that was back talking. He didn't hit (I think I got a legitimate spank once or twice) but he didn't have to. Not with me. I hated being in trouble and his yell was enough to put the fear of god in you.

Times are different now. Too many non-parents setting the rules on how to raise our kids. Trying to sit down and have a rational conversation with them on what they did, why they should do it again, etc. It's rediculous. Your brain isn't done developing by the time you are born. It doesn't fully develop until the mid to late teenage years. Very young kids don't have completely rational thought. They are simply not capable to think far enough ahead to see what impact their decissions will make on themselves and/or others. They can not yet connect the action with the consequence before hand at first.

But at the same time, the world is what it is so the best you can do is to prepare them for it, not shelter them from it. But that doesn't mean to ignore what is age approprate and what is not and controlling what you can.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

so this thread is nice and derailed now that we're talking religion