37 replies to this topic

[Sybreed]

I mean, 2 AC/2 and 2 AC/5 is so much dakka, I wouldn't want to take them off

[shintakie]

Doesnt the prime variant have barely any ammo for all that dakka and nill for armor?

[Yokaiko]

You are kidding right?

[von Pilsner]

If it is easy to HUD then I will change to bigger punch weapons as rapid fire cause me to stare directly at the enemy too much for my own good...

[Super Mono]

I'll let them keep dust in my mechlab at least.

[LordBraxton]

uh 2UAC5 2AC2 comes closer to viable but really

... sorry man

[FupDup]

Those AC/5s would probably be best off toned down to AC/2s (fewer weapon groups makes for easier combat), and you can use the extra tonnage on w/e you want.

Edited by FupDup, 13 March 2013 - 03:15 PM.

[stjobe]

It's JagerMech, not Jaggermech.

The name comes from the German word 'Jäger', which means 'hunter'.

Edited by stjobe, 13 March 2013 - 03:18 PM.

[General Taskeen]

Yokaiko, on 13 March 2013 - 03:10 PM, said:

You are kidding right?

Some people find it fun to try the stock builds. They are extremely challenging, but often hair-splitting frustrating with the way current things are 'balanced.'

Myself. I'd probably just modify the JM6-S or DD into a fake DG, with 2 Gauss + 6 tons of ammo.

Edited by General Taskeen, 13 March 2013 - 03:31 PM.

[Tickdoff Tank]

I always run a new mech in the stock configuration for a couple games before I change the loadout, and I plan to do it for the Jagermech as well. But I already have several different ideas for the chassis that I am eager to try as well.

[One Medic Army]

Why not beef it up to the DD variant, but with endo, DHS, more armor, and more ammo?

[Vasces Diablo]

I will have one that is 4 UAC 5s.
I will have one that is 2 LB 10Xs (the double barreled shotgun build)
I'll figure out my third version later.

Edit: I suppose it would be kind if fun to do a 2 x LB 10x and 2 machine gun build, and just try and be a crit machine.

Edited by Vasces Diablo, 13 March 2013 - 03:36 PM.

[Tickdoff Tank]

Vasces Diablo, on 13 March 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

I will have one that is 4 UAC 5s.
I will have one that is 2 LB 10Xs (the double barreled shotgun build)
I'll figure out my third version later.

I plan on trying to squeeze in 4 LB10Xs for at least a couple of drops. I know it will not be effective, but the chance at 4 LBXs is just something that I have to try at least once.

[Sybreed]

guys, get some reading comprehension. I said stock weapons, not builds. I plan to give them more ammo/heatsinks and such with upgrades.

[Tickdoff Tank]

Sybreed, on 13 March 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

guys, get some reading comprehension. I said stock weapons, not builds. I plan to give them more ammo/heatsinks and such with upgrades.

I read the OP, as did most of the people responding. Just because we do not respond to only the question that you posed does not mean that they are ignoring your post. It means that they (and I) are using your OP as a springboard for further discussion.

[Royalewithcheese]

I would run 3xUAC5 for a long-range ballistic jager. More punch, same reach.

Edited by Royalewithcheese, 13 March 2013 - 04:20 PM.

[Vasces Diablo]

Sybreed, on 13 March 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

guys, get some reading comprehension. I said stock weapons, not builds. I plan to give them more ammo/heatsinks and such with upgrades.

You've been in Internet forums before right? Are you just looking for post after post of yes or no?

[Volume]

2 ac/20

but really, yeah, i'll definitely work with the stock weapons (different engine/armor/ammo/heatsinks/etc) for a while.

[Butane9000]

JM6-S - 2x AC5, 2xAC2, 2xML, STD 260 Engine, 6 tons armor, 4 tons ammo, single heat sinks

JM6-A - 2x LRM15, 2xAC2, 2xML, STD 260 Engine, 8 tons armor, 4 tons ammo, single heat sinks

JM6-DD - 2x UAC5, 2xAC2, 2xMPL, XL260, CASE, Ferro-Fibrous, 6.5 tons armor, single heat sinks

Most people will opt for the DD variant considering what it comes with. Probably drop the medium pulse lasers for regular medium lasers or small lasers if not dropping the lasers altogether. With the saved weight they'll add more ammunition.

Most likely builds:

JM6-S: 4x AC2, 2xML, 6 tons ammo, +2 tons armor, DHS, Endo, CASE

JM6-S: 2xAC2, 2xMG, 2xLL, 5 tons ammo (4 tons AC2, 1 ton MG), CASE, DHS, +2 tons armor (possibly ferro-fibrous), +4 Heat sinks

JM6-DD: 2x UAC5, 2x AC2, +2 tons ammo (3 tons UAC5, 3 tons AC2), +2 tons armor, DHS

JM6-A: 2xLRM10, 2xAC5, 2xML DHS, Endo (stock ammo: 2 missile, 2 ballistic)

JM6-A: 2xSRM6+Artemis, 2xUAC5, 2xML 10 tons ammo (6 missile, 4 ballistic), Endo, CASE, DHS

JM6-A: 2xLRM15+Artemis, 2XMGs, 2xLL, 7 tons ammo (6 Missile, 1 ballistc), CASE, +3 tons armor, DHS

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

(edit, did not count in 2xAC20 or 2xGauss builds because cheese and the catapult is more fit to those builds with better survivability).

Edited by Butane9000, 13 March 2013 - 05:04 PM.

[TheMadTypist]

I thought about keeping the weapons the same, but I've been having trouble building around them. If I make the XL concession, If I fit endosteel, If I have very few DBL heat-sinks outside the engine, I might be able to manage six tons total for assorted types of ammunition and medium-mech levels of armor and still move at trooper 'mech speed (64-65 ish kph).

Otherwise, if I pull the medium lasers, two additional tons of ammo on top of the three stock makes things look slightly better, but suddenly I am completely limited by how long I can hold onto my arms, or how long my ammo lasts. If I pull an AC2, I get six tons to play with, and that significantly improves my options, but then (petty complaint inbound) my barrage will be asymmetrical and that will wind up giving me a headache. I am trying to find a compromise that keeps me in the spirit of the jagermech, and I am having a difficult time finding one that isn't an under-armored, under-armed, overheating deathtrap. Ironic, for a mech that was one of the few in TT that was heat-neutral while not moving at stock.