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[Korbyn McColl]

That's the normal sub fee for most subscription based MMOs on the market.

If you spend less than $15 a month to play MWO and have fun doing so, you're getting a pretty good deal.

Just food for thought.

[Jacob]

If this game will be p2p i sadly would forced to say goodbye to this community since i am just not able to fetch 15$ every month (yeah i am poor) although small buy in ingame shop from time to time would be alright.

[John Clavell]

1) This is not an MMO. It's been stated several times. By the developers, on the forums and via twitter.

2) Bryan has said this wont be subscription, it will be F2P with micro-transactions.

I've been playing subscription game for the last three years, If you want to be super competitive, you still need to pay for in game currency or have serious time to give to the game. I'm for one am looking forward to our new F2P overlords.

[T S Hawk]

I think he just wants to stir the pot and add his 2 cents to some of the paranoia that is going on with how some people are saying that it is not F2P and stuff.

[Grax]

Jacob, on 07 November 2011 - 01:18 PM, said:

If this game will be p2p i sadly would forced to say goodbye to this community since i am just not able to fetch 15$ every month (yeah i am poor) although small buy in ingame shop from time to time would be alright.

So you don't order pizza, go out to eat, order fast food, or see a movie more than 3 times a month? Even with minimum wage you can make $15 in two hours.

If you simply cut out ONE or TWO fast food stops, and just ate ramen noodles or something EACH month. You'd easily be able to justify $15 for a game you enjoy!

[Grax]

T.S. Hawk, on 07 November 2011 - 01:38 PM, said:

I think he just wants to stir the pot and add his 2 cents to some of the paranoia that is going on with how some people are saying that it is not F2P and stuff.

There is no "stirring" of the proverbial pot. The game is NOT "FreeToPlay", that market model is a farce & a lie. They're a company, they're here to make MONEY. Look @ WoW, I hate the game but it is considered the MOST successful MMO. Yet, they're $15 per month? Food for thought.

Edited by Grax, 07 November 2011 - 01:45 PM.

[Korbyn McColl]

I don't think any of us want to see this game go P2W. But I also don't expect them to give the proverbial farm away.

The gamble companies take with F2P is the same one credit card companies take with awarding points for this, that or the other. There will be a very small percentage of individuals who receive the benefits and never actually pay anything to the company. But the vast majority of people will pay the company a "fair" amount over the course of their time using the service.

I just don't want people to forget that the alternative to F2P is a subscription based model, which will cost every player $10-15 a month to play. Or they could go for a Guild Wars model where you pay $50-60 for the game then play free for life, but still have to pay $30-40 every eight to twelve months or so for an expansion...so you'd still be paying $5 or so a month to play.

But, to reiterate: I am not saying I support P2W models. I am saying, however, that everyone should ask themselves what pay model they would prefer over F2P. To me, MechWarrior is the perfect game for a F2P model.

Edited by devil man, 07 November 2011 - 01:50 PM.

[Grax]

devil man, on 07 November 2011 - 01:45 PM, said:

I don't think any of us want to see this game go P2W. But I also don't expect them to give the proverbial farm away.

The gamble companies take with F2P is the same one credit card companies take with awarding points for this, that or the other. There will be a very small percentage of individuals who receive the benefits and never actually pay anything to the company. But the vast majority of people will pay the company a "fair" amount over the course of their time using the service.

I just don't want people to forget that the alternative to F2P is a subscription based model, which will cost every player $10-15 a month to play. Or they could go for a Guild Wars model where you pay $50-60 for the game then play free for life, but still have to pay $30-40 or so every eight to twelve months or so for an expansion...so you'd still be paying $5 or so a month to play.

But, to reiterate: I am not saying I support P2W models. I am saying, however, that everyone should ask themselves what pay model they would prefer over F2P. To me, MechWarrior is the perfect game for a F2P model.

I'd also like to point out, that the AVERAGE player in World of Tanks spends roughly $40 per month, and competitive clan members are REQUIRED to spend around $60 per month in gold consumables & ammo for Competitive Clan vs Clan matches.

I mentioned WoT due to the fact the the WoT developers were saying VERBATIM the same thing that the current MWO devs are saying against "PayToWin". However, the WoT developers gave in once they saw the monetary potential from "PayToWin". The MWO devs will be no different, because their Boss pays them, and their Boss wants MONEY for HIS Boss. The moment they see the large revenue flow from "PayToWin" route, they WILL do it. First and foremost, they ARE a company trying to make MONNEEEEY

[Jacob]

Grax, on 07 November 2011 - 01:41 PM, said:

So you don't order pizza, go out to eat, order fast food, or see a movie more than 3 times a month? Even with minimum wage you can make $15 in two hours.

If you simply cut out ONE or TWO fast food stops, and just ate ramen noodles or something EACH month. You'd easily be able to justify $15 for a game you enjoy!

I am an high school student and i dont have time to work, play mechwarrior and be able to get decent grades, also i am in wonderful position of having teachers as parents and believe me over here in poland they earn not much more than minimal wage and fyi 15$ translate now to 50zł and thats alot since i dont even get pocket money.

[D34K]

My big concern is that I cannot see enough money in the business model chosen to finance sufficient server infrastructure and pay the salaries and business costs of Piranha Games. I hope that I am wrong.

[Korbyn McColl]

Grax, on 07 November 2011 - 01:49 PM, said:

I'd also like to point out, that the AVERAGE player in World of Tanks spends roughly $40 per month, and competitive clan members are REQUIRED to spend around $60 per month in gold consumables & ammo for Competitive Clan vs Clan matches.

I mentioned WoT due to the fact the the WoT developers were saying VERBATIM the same thing that the current MWO devs are saying against "PayToWin". However, the WoT developers gave in once they saw the monetary potential from "PayToWin". The MWO devs will be no different, because their Boss pays them, and their Boss wants MONEY for HIS Boss. The moment they see the large revenue flow from "PayToWin" route, they WILL do it. First and foremost, they ARE a company trying to make MONNEEEEY

I've never played WoT so I won't comment on that. But I will comment on P2W being a bigger profit maker. I suspect when the numbers roll in, you'll find P2W models make less money overall than F2P models. A game with a P2W model might have 10,000 active players who spend $40 a month to play, yielding $400,000 a month in profits. A F2P game might have 100,000 subscribers who dish out $5 a month on average yielding $500,000 a month in profits. P2W models might make more per active customer, but a well done (emphasis on well done) F2P model will beat them on player population alone. Of course, if the F2P game sucks or doesn't appeal to a wide array of players, that's different...and yes, if MWO winds up only having 10-20k players come January of 2013, it may very well be forced to move to a P2W model.

Just my two c-bills.

[pizza koopa]

Its not an MMO. If there was a subscription then I would not go near it.

[Cordy Ceps]

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I'd also like to point out, that the AVERAGE player in World of Tanks spends roughly $40 per month, and competitive clan members are REQUIRED to spend around $60 per month in gold consumables & ammo for Competitive Clan vs Clan matches.

Who told you that? Do you even play WoT on the world map? I do, and the only month ive ever spend more then 8 Euro (approx 11 Dollar) was the month where i bought my Lowe tank. And i do play on world map. And if a clan demands of its players to spend 60 $ per months on a game, its a bad clan, ingame and in RL. That is, cause good clans earn gold by posessing territory on the world map. And its usually enough to cover gold ammo and consumables for clan battles. And whoever needs gold ammo and/or consumables to win not suck in random battles, should not whine about Pay2Win, but uninstall this game and save his/her nerves.

Who doesnt believe me is free to check the nic Cordyceps on the eu server. Clan is InCardia

tl;dr : Dont talk about things you dont know, Grax

Back2Topic: If this game will have the same payment policy as WoT, i will be happy. WoT is absolutely not P2P or P2W, although i must admit, premium acc helps on higher tiers. That would be your average 40 11 $ per month.

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P2W models might make more per active customer, but a well done (emphasis on well done) F2P model will beat them on player population alone.

And the best example for this is the most successful f2p MMO - League of Legends. There, only skins for your champions can be acquired by money alone - and they certainly wont help you win. Theyre not very expensive either. Less then 5 $ afaik. But the sheer amount of active LoL players does the trick.
LoL is getting an update every two weeks with a new champ and content. Thats good support.

To make things clear: im not doing commercials. I point to well-executed MMO F2P Projects and i cincerely hope, the devs will see that its clearly not P2W that brings true success and profit.

When this game will have the quality and support of WoT or (drools) LoL at release, i wont even look at them. then im all Mechwarrior

Edited by Cordy Ceps, 07 November 2011 - 03:37 PM.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

*Cough* *Cough*

MMO ≠ RPG

Get This Out Of Your Skulls.

[Cordy Ceps]

pizza koopa, on 07 November 2011 - 02:08 PM, said:

Its not an MMO. If there was a subscription then I would not go near it.

Its Massively (many many ppl on one server) Multiplayer (obviously) Online (obviously)

That would mean, it is an MMO

Edited by Cordy Ceps, 07 November 2011 - 04:09 PM.

[Glare]

Indeed. MMO as a title really applies to most of the AAA FPS titles to come out in the last few years, all things considered.

MMORPGs, however, they are not, which is what a lot of people seem to scream ****** murder about.

EDIT: Interesting. It appears the adjective form of "blood" is censored. Good to know.

Edited by Glare, 07 November 2011 - 04:07 PM.

[FlystreesVagann]

You people need to learn what MMO mean lol

[Barbaric Soul]

Personally, I'd prefer to just pay $50-60 one time and after that, just buy what DLC I want. The DLC should be limited to maps, camos, custom decal, like what's included in COD and BF2/BFWAW/BFBC2/BF3 DLC. Everyone should have full access to all the mechs and weapons ingame included in the $50-60 price tag for buying the game.

[Colaessus]

Who pays per month, its cheaper to just pay per year.

[SnagaDance]

If this would be a subscription kind of game I wouldn't spend my money on it, unless the subscription cost was very low, or you'd pay for the actual time you would be playing (making it more like pre-paid). This because my life tends to get busy at times, what with the wife, kids and my job. I don't like paying for something I don't have time to enjoy, and even 'just $15' is money I'd more gladly spend on stuff I would get to enjoy.

That's why I have never even tried WoW (though I believe I could really enjoy the game). The amount of free time I've got is just too variable.