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#1 Gorstagg

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 11:41 PM

Frustrating encounter,

Oh hmmm let's see so yeah got to experience a super crappy event with Mechwarrior Online. See they charge 1,000 MC for premium color's. And so if you get a color you usually are very specific in your choices. And I have bought a few color's, so I have a decent variety of them. Darks, lights, brights, and specific shades of certain color's right. Well, I also happened to purchase a camo scheme on a mech, and it was the Phranken Camo design. Which is a premium camo scheme, and that's fine. Now, I only bought the actual scheme for the mech and used my own already purchased color's to color said scheme. Now, here's where it get's annoying and frustrating.

Every time you enter to adjust the color choices on a mech that has this Phranken camo scheme, it has 3 channels with a primary and secondary color option in each channel. So you have a primary channel which has two colors you can alternate with, and a secondary and a tertiary channel each also with it's two listed color palette choices.


So, the primary channel affects certain parts of the mech and when you paint it, all parts associated with that channel turn that chosen color. Now, same thing applies for secondary and tertiary colors. The bug of this situation is that for each channel there's the current color's chosen for the mech as you've got it painted, and then in each channel it's secondary color choice keep's defaulting back to the base premium colors associated with the Premium camo spec for the Phranken color choice.

So apparently when I was changing one of the color's for my mech, and did a few others, and then settled on only changing one of the colors, (mind you I only was switching back and forth between color's I owned), at some point it defaulted one of the color's to the Phranken Black. Instead of my actual PC Gamer Black that I already own. And are only off by a mere few shades. And I didn't deliberately choose this mind you.. I didn't want a lighter black, and would NEVER willingly buy this lighter black when I already have a black that looks much better. But apparently when I hit yes and I accept the changes, which mind you was from one light neon green to a brighter green, that I own, and paid for.. I somehow missed the fact that this bug that keeps displaying the color's you didn't buy, and keep sitting up there waiting for you to accidentally click yes I accept this change, and thus pay real money for a color I would never want.


So.. you think, hey I found out about this accident after a patch when looking at my profile and seeing myself down 1,000 MC from my total. You think, okay no big, just contact customer service and let them know, about the problem.

Guess what... oh you know already? They refused to refund this because there supposedly is enough safeguards in place for a game that is in Beta, that they feel that this mistake was mine. And don't make a habit to fix things like this.


Really? So, because of a bug associated with your game, occurs, and you don't specifically say, when confirming the change, that you will be charged 1,000 MC or whatever value being incurred, right in the same place as your confirmation, that you shouldn't just do a simple refund of the MC, and remove the color from the account.

No, instead, you have any costs down in the bottom right of the client, which when you think your choosing between color's you own, and are careful about not choosing other color's because you KNOW they will charge you for it. And yet, because of this bug, and the fact that the value you are charged is off of view, and the pop up box you have to confirm every time you make an adjustment on your mech, happens. You miss, this change... and you get charged for it.


It is really frustrating. A simple GUI fix for this would be to make it so that when you are confirming anything that may cost you any form of currency, and making a specific change to a mech, it should do the confirmation pop up including the cost's of any changes you are going to make, in BOLD Specific notes.

Example...

You are about to make a change to this mech.

This change will Cost you: 1,000 MC, 625,000 C-Bill's.

Do you wish to continue with this change at these Cost's.

[Yes] or [No]

Once you click yes, again it should pop up and say.

Before this confirmation is final.

You are being CHARGED to your account.

1,000 MC, 625,000 C-Bills.

Final Confirmation, do you AGREE.

[Yes] or [No]




This would be a sufficient, clarification. Putting it right in the confirmation pop up the costs if any associated with clicking yes. I would in no way have a complaint if this was in place. Why? Cause I would of seen it saying I would have to pay more than 0 MC.

Now, the reality of this 1,000 MC is that buying it at the $29.95 level, it works out to about $4.61 or so in real world dollars. And for most things, a $5 mistake isn't the end of the world. Let's just be honest here. But, the fact that this game is in beta, they are making some frustrating choices, and their response to their customer's amounts to a polite screw you.


You can see where this would be aggravating.


It's a beta, mistakes can happen, for customer's and the company itself, in any case you fix them and learn from the mistakes to reduce any further issues from happening. Was that the case here? No, they said no. Functionally it was like being told You've given us the money, and now because we didn't clearly indicate right in front of you that you are being charged for something you didn't want, (cause if I did, I would of bought it already, thank you.) or don't want. Tough.


That's a bad example of customer service, and truthfully, it completely caught me off guard. I thought they would fix it right away, as I was indicating to them, hey, found this happened, and while I'm internet angry, it's more that this represents a bug/mistake that could be fixed, and instead of working to make the customer happy, they just said no. This sadly doesn't matter if it's a polite no, it's still a no. I found out about the charge, two days later, because I played on a Monday, and didn't check again until a Wednesday after the Patch Update.


Now, I've been playing Battletech since I was a kid and played it the first time in 1986. And have been playing various incarnation's of this since then, either on the tabletop or online in some capacity be it the 3025 MPBT on AOL, or over on Gamestorm, or the first Mechwarrior, all the way up to this newest incarnation and interpretation. So you can say I'm a distinct fan of the game and love it. And while I won't get all internet ragey and say something stupid like I'll quit.. and I won't. But I'm disappointed in the customer serve aspect of PGI, and their response to this. A game, that's in beta. They can do better than this, and should. Because companies renowned for customer service, often endear themselves and make lifetime customer's. And that's what I feel is missing here. The GM who reviewed it was pleasant, and I think he's just following the instruction's of the company. But this company can do better. And it should do better. And we should expect better, and expect them to hold to a higher standard.

I really enjoy this game and it's full potential, and while it's got issues here and there, and we're all waiting patiently for the community warfare angle, and ECM addressing.. the fact remains were beta-testing a product for a company. And while there may be bugs, and things they can learn from this, it is important that they do.


Now, I don't expect them to give me any of my MC back on this. That's not the point of this post. My point now, is focusing on them fixing the problems and how they happened, and providing solutions to make it harder for other mistakes like this to happen to customer's.

Edited by Gorstagg, 12 March 2013 - 11:47 PM.


#2 LordRush

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 11:42 PM

o.0

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 11:43 PM

Failpost


Edit: I actually read your sob story and I don't think that having 13242332423 confirmations for a purchase is necessary. If you failed to recognize that the charge was incorrect on the first confirmation then it's your bad.

Edited by BbadAK, 12 March 2013 - 11:45 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 11:52 PM

Don't sign without reading, don't pay without knowing what you're paying for.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 11:55 PM

Thats just bad PR waiting to happen. A company not refunding something makes them look greedy and petty amoung other things. Hopefully they refund you.

Their customer service should chiggity check themselves

Whether or not your customer made a mistake, didn't like the way his steak was seasoned or the way the shirt fit... they just should refund it. Insane they would be like that. I would fire the guy who said no refunds even if he was the CEO. Hell especially if he was the CEO.

#6 Gorstagg

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 11:55 PM

Had to fix some formatting issues with the post, sorry if you guys read it when it had all those html errors in it.

#7 Gorstagg

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:02 AM

View PostBbadAK, on 12 March 2013 - 11:43 PM, said:

Failpost


Edit: I actually read your sob story and I don't think that having 13242332423 confirmations for a purchase is necessary. If you failed to recognize that the charge was incorrect on the first confirmation then it's your bad.


I'm sorry you felt this was a sob story. I was writing out a reasoned response to something that happened to me last week, and even pointed out at this stage, I don't expect any form of remuneration. Just that, this is a potential issue, in a product that isn't completed, and is known to have bugs and programming issues, as well as aesthetic issues with their GUI. Or that if you change color's frequently, like I do, that I routinely swap colors that I own around in the various slots. This is an example of a bug (the Phranken color's re-appearing in the secondary channels of the colors primary, secondary, and tertiary.), and a confirmation screen to avoid any inadvertent and avoidable mistakes due to a GUI pop up that doesn't reference the actual cost of anything if any, on the confirmation pop up.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:36 AM

Same experience when I started playing again, the last time was before you could do camo. Spent my first 15 mins or so messing around and saw the first colors as c-bill purchase, screwed around a bit and hit accept without noticing other colors I assumed were basic cost a heap of MC. ended up 2500 MC in the hole for 3 colors that are almost identical. When I wrote customer service I explained it and got a nice insulting reply for my effort and told to pound sand. Not exactly well versed in customer relations this place is.

Edited by XIRUSPHERE, 13 March 2013 - 12:36 AM.


#9 Pihb

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:36 AM

You just typed up a thousand word manifesto for nothing. You owe me 2 min of my life back.

#10 Kattspya

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:30 AM

I tried faffing about in the camo spec tab yesterday for the first time. I had great trouble not selecting MC colors but I did manage not to buy any colors since I know the UI is sneaky. I accidently bought a K2 with MC a few days ago which was due to nothing but inattention. I'll eat my mistake so to speak but the colors UI is horrible and you should get a refund.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:34 AM

View PostBbadAK, on 12 March 2013 - 11:43 PM, said:

Failpost


Edit: I actually read your sob story and I don't think that having 13242332423 confirmations for a purchase is necessary. If you failed to recognize that the charge was incorrect on the first confirmation then it's your bad.


While I agree, and have no desire to see confirmation after confirmation, if the OP is correct and is constantly replaces your choice of alternative colours to the default (which is what I think he is saying) then that should be fixed.

#12 One Medic Army

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:38 AM

They can't refund, as in the CustServ guys don't have access to any tools that would let them re-lock colors and give you back MC.

As far as the color interface, it's a pain but try selecting "owned colors" at the start every time you play around with it.

#13 AlexEss

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 02:02 AM

this is why i always check the camo tab twice before hitting OK to make sure it says 0 at every channel. but i agree it would be good to have a bit more clarity in the mechlab. Apart from that i think One is correct. it is not that they do not want to but they most likley does not have the tools to do it.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 03:15 AM

View PostAlexEss, on 13 March 2013 - 02:02 AM, said:

this is why i always check the camo tab twice before hitting OK to make sure it says 0 at every channel.

Yeah, it does actually show right there on the screen a complete breakdown of what you're paying for. So if they showed you again in another spot, and you still failed to pay attention, would it then be their fault for not showing you yet a third time and asking if you're really, really, super-duper sure?

At some point you gotta quit expecting people to hold your hand and make all your mistakes go away.

#15 Gorstagg

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 05:32 AM

View PostAlexEss, on 13 March 2013 - 02:02 AM, said:

this is why i always check the camo tab twice before hitting OK to make sure it says 0 at every channel. but i agree it would be good to have a bit more clarity in the mechlab. Apart from that i think One is correct. it is not that they do not want to but they most likley does not have the tools to do it.

Just a quick note. As I'm used to frequently changing the colors on my mech's trying out different color combination's, I'm quite cautious and double check to see that I don't have anything chosen. Clearly, I missed this, something that happens because it's a bug that it keeps defaulting to the Phranken color's on the scheme instead of duplicating the same color palette choices as the current camo configuration is set at, like it does for all other camo schemes, excluding the Phranken one, with it's associated Phranken Premium colors.

View PostOneEyed Jack, on 13 March 2013 - 03:15 AM, said:

Yeah, it does actually show right there on the screen a complete breakdown of what you're paying for. So if they showed you again in another spot, and you still failed to pay attention, would it then be their fault for not showing you yet a third time and asking if you're really, really, super-duper sure?

At some point you gotta quit expecting people to hold your hand and make all your mistakes go away.


At some point you have to expect that in a beta, things will be encountered. But since this is using a frequently changing UI, and often there are even glitches within the UI itself, with screen tearing and flickering, that sometimes, it's much wiser to air on the side of caution, and reconfirm the decisions. (I learned that ... performing Customer Service for client's, at various job's I've worked at over the last several decades.)

Please understand, I'm asking them to look into their own coding mistakes, that helped lead to a customer mistake, that could of been avoided, had a pop up box including what is listed in fixed details, been confirmed with the charge in front.

I'll leave it as simple as this.. Pizza Hut, Papa Johns, Domino Pizza, all have internet order taking capabilities. And in each and every one of them, they list every charge, and it's clear and simple to read, and you must confirm this, not once but twice. Once you do so, your order is thus placed.

If a fast food service, can put together a double confirmation page, then a game company can spend a little dev time to make sure they are also servicing their customer's, and making the experience, bug free, and helping the customer avoid making mistakes. (Oh also they one last safe-guard in place. You can call them and cancel the order before it is made if you encounter an issue.)

I don't see why PGI can't do something simple, where if you are going to click a confirmation box, that it detail the explicit expenses being charged to the customer, and then reiterate them to the customer one final time, after that, it makes sense that they've done a reasonable job. But clearly since I'm not the only person who's encountered things, because of this current UI incarnation, that others may have as well. Would it be that much more difficult to put in a decent safe-guard in place? Maybe, I don't know but then again I bet you that creating this, where it pulls and specifies this data from the tally like it does now currently, shouldn't be that hard to display it in the pop up.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 05:54 AM

View PostGorstagg, on 12 March 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

...at some point it defaulted one of the color's to the Phranken Black. Instead of my actual PC Gamer Black that I already own. And are only off by a mere few shades. And I didn't deliberately choose this mind you.. I didn't want a lighter black, and would NEVER willingly buy this lighter black when I already have a black that looks much better.


How much blacker could it be???


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Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:07 PM

View PostGorstagg, on 13 March 2013 - 05:32 AM, said:

Please understand, I'm asking them to look into their own coding mistakes, that helped lead to a customer mistake, that could of been avoided, had a pop up box including what is listed in fixed details, been confirmed with the charge in front.

I'll leave it as simple as this.. Pizza Hut, Papa Johns, Domino Pizza, all have internet order taking capabilities. And in each and every one of them, they list every charge, and it's clear and simple to read, and you must confirm this, not once but twice. Once you do so, your order is thus placed.

If a fast food service, can put together a double confirmation page, then a game company can spend a little dev time to make sure they are also servicing their customer's, and making the experience, bug free, and helping the customer avoid making mistakes. (Oh also they one last safe-guard in place. You can call them and cancel the order before it is made if you encounter an issue.)

No coding error, in any way, ever stopped you from glancing at the rather sizable breakdown window at the bottom, which you then had to pass your mouse over just to get to the buy button. If you want to compare it to ordering a pizza, those sites go to an entirely different page (for the purposes of address and payment), so the fact that they display the order again is simply because otherwise you'd be unable to see it. They don't force you to re-approve each thing on the order, they just display it. MWO doesn't change pages, so there's no need to reproduce the listing of what you're buying, it's still right there in front of you in big, bold letters. If you aren't going to pay attention to that, then you wouldn't pay attention to it if they displayed it again in the pop-up window. That is entirely your failure an inattention.

Exactly how many reminders to look at something already on the screen do you feel it's their responsibility to give you before allowing you to do something you've already decided to do?

For the record, the colors switching back and forth when you click the channel box is not a coding error, it's a convenience so that you can try other colors and switch easily back.





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