19 replies to this topic

[Alilua]

Why bother with 1.5+ tons of ams equipment on any mech, if a single mech with ecm equipped can basically negate all guided missile damage for a whole team?

Is there any serious reason to even have an ams if ecm is present?


Please fix this glaring imbalance.

[Commander Kobold]

Everyone already knows this, why make another thread about it? PGI said that they're looking into the ECM problem.

[Max Immelmann]

i like multiple threads on the same issue, so there

[Commander Kobold]

well hopefully PGI will do a good job about it (preferably make it a soft counter instead of a hard one.)

[darkfall13]

Consolidation my friend:
http://mwomercs.com/...ted-march-12th/

[Jonathan Paine]

Hopefully, PGI will break up the current ECM into a modular system. To get the current ECM effect you should have:
ECM
Counter module
Disrupt module
Stealth armor w. crit slot requirements
Command module/slaved unit

[Terror Teddy]

Thats like saying gun laws make bulletproof vests obsolete.

[Jonathan Paine]

Also, AMS offers better protection against LRM 5's. Will shoot down most if not all of the missiles and cannot be countered. So much for my Awesome 9M build... :-)

[MonsieuRoberts]

More like how fire-proof clothing makes fire-resistant clothing obsolete. There's no point to the ladder when you attain the former.

[Commander Kobold]

Terror Teddy, on 14 March 2013 - 11:23 PM, said:

Thats like saying gun laws make bulletproof vests obsolete.

not really

MonsieuRoberts, on 14 March 2013 - 11:26 PM, said:

More like how fire-proof clothing makes fire-resistant clothing obsolete. There's no point to the ladder when you attain the former.

this is more like it

Jonathan Paine, on 14 March 2013 - 11:26 PM, said:

Also, AMS offers better protection against LRM 5's. Will shoot down most if not all of the missiles and cannot be countered. So much for my Awesome 9M build... :-)

how does ECM making nearly immune to locks not come up as more effective against lrm 5s than AMS?

[Sean von Steinike]

People say that ECM voids the need for AMS......that assumes your ecm mechs actually stick around and are not off wandering around god knows where, but it isn't near you. In any case, AMS works much better when most of the team has it. By itself not all that useful, get a cluster of several mechs together with it and it'll shot down the majority of volleys.

Edited by Sean von Steinike, 14 March 2013 - 11:37 PM.

[Jonathan Paine]

Because my PPCs and TAG coped well with ECM, and then I was humiliated by bleeping AMS.

[Mercules]

Someone seems to have missed all the LRM QQ lately. ECM does impact but is not a perfect counter for LRMs. There are ways around ECM and then suddenly having something that lowers the damage of those LRMs is really nice.

[Revorn]

You big clumsy ECM Atlas, i evil smiling LRMBoat. You ECM, i TAG pew,pew. Say byby ECM Protection.

You and your Team close to you, have AMS, say byby, LRMS.

Edited by Revorn, 15 March 2013 - 12:23 AM.

[slide]

There are any numbers of ways ECM can be nullified and leave you vulnerable. The fact that I go through 2 tonnes of AMS amo on my Awesome every other match proves to me that is is worth taking. Every missile it shoots down is less damage you take.

Whilst not as effective, AMS also takes out streaks and standard srms.

In my opinion you are stupid not to take it. I don't own a mech that doesn't have AMS (even my Raven3L).

If you're still of the opinion that you are immune in the presence of ECM, my 2ERPPC, 2LRM15+artemis Atlas would like to invite you to a little party on Alpine.

Edited by slide, 15 March 2013 - 12:48 AM.

[Commander Kobold]

slide, on 15 March 2013 - 12:47 AM, said:

There are any numbers of ways ECM can be nullified and leave you vulnerable. The fact that I go through 2 tonnes of AMS amo on my Awesome every other match proves to me that is is worth taking. Every missile it shoots down is less damage you take.

Whilst not as effective, AMS also takes out streaks and standard srms.

In my opinion you are stupid not to take it. I don't own a mech that doesn't have AMS (even my Raven3L).

If you're still of the opinion that you are immune in the presence of ECM, my 2ERPPC, 2LRM15+artemis Atlas would like to invite you to a little party on Alpine.

except the stupid thing also shoots at missles flying harmlessly over you and into rocks >_>

Jonathan Paine, on 14 March 2013 - 11:35 PM, said:

Because my PPCs and TAG coped well with ECM, and then I was humiliated by bleeping AMS.

then you most throw moar missles

Mercules, on 14 March 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:

Someone seems to have missed all the LRM QQ lately. ECM does impact but is not a perfect counter for LRMs. There are ways around ECM and then suddenly having something that lowers the damage of those LRMs is really nice.

most of the people who cry about LRMs are on teams without ECM and/or choose to not take cover when they get the obvious *Targeted*--*warning incoming missles*(other than the splash damage glitch LRMs are only really dangerous if you're standing still)

[Komtur]

Alilua, on 14 March 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

Why bother with 1.5+ tons of ams equipment on any mech, if a single mech with ecm equipped can basically negate all guided missile damage for a whole team?

Is there any serious reason to even have an ams if ecm is present?

Yes, if you are not under an ECM bubble.
Sometimes there is only one ECM mech in my team and it is to far away, so it is important for me to have AMS on board.

Or if there is an enemy with ECM counter mode, so your own ECM will not work and AMS is a fine option.

[AlexEss]

Alilua, on 14 March 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

Why bother with 1.5+ tons of ams equipment on any mech, if a single mech with ecm equipped can basically negate all guided missile damage for a whole team?

Is there any serious reason to even have an ams if ecm is present?


Please fix this glaring imbalance.

Ok i know at least three reasons why it is a good idea even with ECM

1: The other side have TAG and know how to use it.
2: You get caught outside of the ECM bubble for some reason
3: You ECM carrier get taken out (or has it's ECM unit taken out)

So there are still some very compelling reasons to take AMS on anything slower then 80 Kph and by working together two or three mechs with AMS can provide a lot of protection for a travelling circus.

Edited by AlexEss, 15 March 2013 - 01:18 AM.

[Karenai]

TAG, PPC hit to the ECM, blindfire.
AMS is still very potent, especially if grouped onseveral mechs together.
Anyone saying anything other then that, never runs a LRM mech.

[Egomane]

Oh, look! I found another closed ECM thread.

Please continue your discussion in the official ECM thread found here:
http://mwomercs.com/...ted-march-12th/