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[JEB8753]

yes i missed isn good to see it back in action

[CheezPanther]

IT's back IT's really really back.. Quick somebody pinch me

[Tennex]

Krellek, on 18 March 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

ComStar had been keeping things on the down low but multiple parties were not far behind because someone within ComStar got lazy with data meant to keep things looking like normal.

you said yourself comstar is kkeeping the can on it. well ISN is run by comstar.

[Krellek]

Tennex, on 18 March 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

you said yourself comstar is kkeeping the can on it. well ISN is run by comstar.

Yes, but they only were able to keep so much in-house. Because the data used to update the planetary information was the same data from previous decades, people starting putting two and two together when they looked at the data trends.

I get the notion that ISN ~ ComStar.

But what about all the other information that's been spreading around the IS by the various Houses over the last month or so? Keep in mind Hanse Davion for example had been using black boxes found in the periphery to bypass ComStar communication.

My point being, more information was known by this point in the time line by the Houses and had likewise began questioning ComStars role in everything. Hence my original question to PGI if they were still planning to follow the day-to-day timeline previously established.

Edited by Krellek, 18 March 2013 - 06:21 PM.

[Krellek]

Tennex, on 18 March 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

you said yourself comstar is kkeeping the can on it. well ISN is run by comstar.

Besides, if I recall correctly, they never released information of planets going dark in the first place. They played it all off as though pirating was simply picking up on the periphery and kept releasing false information in relation to those planets, meaning a couple of the previous ISN posts could be construed as incorrect because ComStar almost immediately sent someone over to act as a liaison with the Clans. ComStar continued to release planet updates showing materials, food stuffs and other related goods going to those planets as per the norm.

Either way, simply food for thought. By the time the end of April hits, things get really crazy.

Edited by Krellek, 18 March 2013 - 04:57 PM.

[Lord Ikka]

Glad that it is back, don't care about Lyrans.

[Grotonomus]

Hurrah! I got my Nerd News Back!!

[Peiper]

Sorry to inform the ISN news guy, but the Lyran Guards consist of many Regimental Combat Teams. As 3 Regiments make up a Brigade, to say that they've added a 'second' brigade is a false statement. Regimental combat teams are made up of FOUR regiments, plus support (see below). Even if they added a brigade now, it would not be a big deal considering the number of Lyran Guard units already in existence.

If you add up all of the current Lyran Gaurd RCT units out there, at least 48 regiments worth at the beginning of 3050, that makes 16 brigades. Saying that there are now only 2 brigades is either a smokescreen trying to cover up the fact that there are already at least 16 brigades out there, or ISN is WRONG.

Source: 20 Year Update, FASA 1639.

Am I really the first guy to notice this??

First developed by the Star League Defense Force, a Regimental Combat Team was originally composed of four combat regiments and a support and transport element. The most experienced regimental commander was put in charge of the RCT, and the four combat elements trained together to improve unit cohesion. These RCTs tended to be permanently assigned to a location in order to better understand and exploit the local terrain. A surviving example of the SLDF's RCT concept is the Eridani Light Horse.

http://www.sarna.net...tal_Combat_Team

A list of the Lyran Guard units are in the following article

http://www.sarna.net...ed_Commonwealth

Edited by Peiper, 18 March 2013 - 07:49 PM.

[Nathan Foxbane]

Peiper, on 18 March 2013 - 07:41 PM, said:

Sorry to inform the ISN news guy, but the Lyran Guards consist of many Regimental Combat Teams. As 3 Regiments make up a Brigade, to say that they've added a 'second' brigade is a false statement. Regimental combat teams are made up of FOUR regiments, plus support (see below). Even if they added a brigade now, it would not be a big deal considering the number of Lyran Guard units already in existence.

If you add up all of the current Lyran Gaurd RCT units out there, at least 48 regiments worth at the beginning of 3050, that makes 16 brigades. Saying that there are now only 2 brigades is either a smokescreen trying to cover up the fact that there are already at least 16 brigades out there, or ISN is WRONG.

Not really. If he is just reporting on the celebration ceremonies on Tharkad (which of course be the one with the largest media coverage), then "second brigade" probably just refers to the second brigade of the 10th Lyran Guard. Remember this is a news flash. They are brief with minimal details.

[AdamBaines]

Nathan Foxbane, on 18 March 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

Not really. If he is just reporting on the celebration ceremonies on Tharkad (which of course be the one with the largest media coverage), then "second brigade" probably just refers to the second brigade of the 10th Lyran Guard. Remember this is a news flash. They are brief with minimal details.

And besides....I believe the source for most of these comes from Randall Bills.....and he wont be wrong with his Btech History :-)

[Belorion]

I think they should have the clans start in the news feeds, then we as players take part of what ever wave they are on when Clans come on the game scene.

[Skylarr]

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Mon. Mar. 18th, 3050: Lyran Guards celebrated for centuries of service; second brigade mustered after the formation of the Lyran Commonwealth.

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The Lyran Guards were the second Lyran brigade mustered after the formation of the Lyran Commonwealth. Unlike the Arcturan Guards, the Lyran Guards recruited its soldiers from across the Commonwealth, and, second only to the Royal Guards, is the most prestigious commission in the LCAF. At its zenith prior to the Clan Invasion, the Lyran Guards numbered some 60 regiments, 14 of them were Mech units.


History

Formed as a result of the creation of the Commonwealth as a bond of the three founding states. Because of its prestige and high regards the brigade can select from its future graduates. Since their founding the regiments of this brigade have fought in nearly every offensive or defensive engagement and secured many victories. During the FedCom Civil War the main body stayed neutral with some exceptions. After the Jihad ended, the Lyran Guards were the only LCAF brigade capable of fielding full RCT's.

By 3085 the losses sustained by the Lyran Guards regiments hadn't been replaced. The brigade fielded two RCTs, but the rest of the unit was based on the new Light Combat Team model. Though the Guards saw the need for this immediately after the end of the Jihad, many members of the Guards were sure the LCAF could rebuild missing Guard units or at least expand the existing units. With other brigades being rebuilt and receiving the best academy graduates and machines, the Lyran Guards grow envious of their countrymen.

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Regimental Combat Team

First developed by the Star League Defense Force, a Regimental Combat Team was originally composed of four combat regiments and a support and transport element. The most experienced regimental commander was put in charge of the RCT, and the four combat elements trained together to improve unit cohesion. These RCTs tended to be permanently assigned to a location in order to better understand and exploit the local terrain. A surviving example of the SLDF's RCT concept is the Eridani Light Horse.

The Federated Suns would develop their own Regimental Combat Teams thanks to First Prince Melissa Davion after she came to power in 2876. The AFFS' version of an RCT is a large multi-regiment formation that consists of a regiment of BattleMechs, three regiments of combat vehicles, five regiments of infantry, two AeroSpace Fighter wings, and a battalion of artillery. Unlike the task forces that had been used previously, these regiments are permanently assigned to work together. These RCTs are usually named for the BattleMech regiment.

Light Combat Team

After the widespread destruction of the Jihad, the AFFS shifted to a defensive mindset. Though it still had several RCTs on the rolls, the majority of the units were rebuilt as Light Combat Teams. Smaller versions of the AFFS' traditional RCT, the LCT was a reinforced battalion of 'Mechs (typically three companies plus a two-to-three lance command company), two to three battalions of heavy and assault armor, an equal number of cavalry battalions, and an artillery company. Additionally the LCT includes a include a regimental-size Battle Armor formation (though in most cases the size is much smaller) and VTOL assets to provide transportation for the Battle Armor as well as reconnaissance for the LCT. The large conventional infantry forces of the RCT have been reduced to those troops needed to provide engineering, security, and other support roles.

Edited by Skylarr, 19 March 2013 - 06:37 AM.

[Nathan Foxbane]

Skylarr, on 19 March 2013 - 06:37 AM, said:

History text

Ah yes I kept reading that as battalion. With the modern phasing out of regiment as a unit level (the term regiment and brigade are interchangeable currently though brigade is the proper term) I forget that BT still uses their traditional order of battle.

[Skylarr]

Nathan Foxbane, on 19 March 2013 - 11:46 AM, said:

Ah yes I kept reading that as battalion. With the modern phasing out of regiment as a unit level (the term regiment and brigade are interchangeable currently though brigade is the proper term) I forget that BT still uses their traditional order of battle.

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Inner Sphere military structure


A Brigade is a military formation typically consisting of 3 or more regiments, usually of similar weight classes and capabilities. This formation was used extensively by the SLDF, but is no longer used by most Inner Sphere militaries. Brigades were usually commanded by a Lieutenant General and limited to being no more than five regiments in size for administrative purposes. Some Regimental Combat Teams were also categorized as brigades.

Examples of BattleMech brigades include the Eridani Light Horse, Northwind Highlanders, Deneb Light Cavalry, or the Sword of Light. The Armor and Infantry units of the Federated Sun's Regimental Combat Teams are also referred to as brigades.

[Peiper]

Nathan Foxbane, on 18 March 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

Not really. If he is just reporting on the celebration ceremonies on Tharkad (which of course be the one with the largest media coverage), then "second brigade" probably just refers to the second brigade of the 10th Lyran Guard. Remember this is a news flash. They are brief with minimal details.

I see now. It's a grammatical change from the article on the 10th Lyran. The wording changed the meaning around into something else.

"Mon. Mar. 18th, 3050: Lyran Guards celebrated for centuries of service; second brigade mustered after the formation of the Lyran Commonwealth."

It probably should read:

ISN News Flash:
Mon. Mar. 18th, 3050: Founded in 2341 as a brigade, the Lyran Guards celebrated 709 years of service. Today the Lyran Guards consists of 14 Regimental combat teams made up of some 60 regiments.

Edited by Peiper, 19 March 2013 - 07:00 PM.

[Skylarr]

Yes, all the Guard regiments, combined, make up the Brigade.