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[Comguard]

Topic says it all.

Clans are not there yet, but we all know: when we play them there will be QQ.

So, what Mech has the biggest potential for epic cheese? We all know the classic Timberwolf and the standard configs, but which Clanmech will be the next Big Cheese?

Rules:

- only Clanmechs from the Technical Readout 3050 (or 3052 in some countries), because those are the mechs they'll release first.
- only usage of "realistic" hardpoint distribution (so, they retain their hardpoint system for Clanmechs), so 1 Laser probably provides 1 energy hardpoint.
- no changes in engine size or armor (my guess at PGI's attempt to balance Clans)
- you write down the original variant of the Mech and then your build with Clantech that makes it "the big cheese".
- we assume that all the weapons reamain in their current state (so, SSRMs don't become useless overnight).
- only use of Clantech concerning type of weapon and weight (this is what makes the cheese possible).

I offer you:

Vulture A (60ton, 80kp/h fast)

Original:
LB-X 5
ER-PPC
6x SRM6

As if this is not bad enough you could make this build even better than a splatcat:

Vulture A - Splatcat Style

Remove PPC and LBX to free up 14 tons
Upgrade the SRMs to SSRMs. Rest used for ammo. Done.

6x SSRM6

Would be 36x2,5= 90 Alpha. With a fire and forget weapon. Just imagine the whine.

That was the cheesiest one I could find, but maybe you have better ideas.

[Ngamok]

I would actually keep thje original config is ECM is still around big time. Probably upgrade the PPC to ER PPC. DUnno what I'd do with the ballistic slot if at all, might downgrade.

[Scratx]

The Nova (Black Hawk) mech with its Prime configuration.

TWELVE EXTENDED RANGE MEDIUM LASERS KEKEKEKEKEKEKE

[AnnoyingCat]

and then that Vulture got a ECM to the face

Edited by AnnoyingCat, 21 March 2013 - 06:34 AM.

[Comguard]

@Ngamok
It is already ER-PPCs, Clans don't use standard-weaponry, so also no Medium-Lasers, just ER-Lasers. Thought that was known and I was too lazy to add it.

[Ngamok]

heh, mah bad.

[3rdworld]

Why not use Clan LRMs instead of SRMs?

Clan LRMs have no min range.

So 4 LRM 15s would have a 108 alpha.

I don't really know the weights of clan equipment, but I would assume that if a catapult can hold 4-15s a clan mech could run more.

Edited by 3rdworld, 21 March 2013 - 06:10 AM.

[Viper69]

Scratx, on 21 March 2013 - 06:02 AM, said:

The Nova (Black Hawk) mech with its Prime configuration.

TWELVE EXTENDED RANGE MEDIUM LASERS KEKEKEKEKEKEKE

Exactly this. Jumpjet to the rear of an enemy mech facing and melt it in one alpha and have enough heat to jump away. If people think a Splatcat is rude wait till this thing gets here and you can do it at large laser range.

[QuantumButler]

clurm 90 mad cats with backup 8 ER medlas.

Edited by QuantumButler, 21 March 2013 - 06:14 AM.

[Comguard]

@3rdworld
You're right, I forgot...

Clan SSRM6: 3 tons
Clan LRM 15: 3,5 tons

But you could only effectively use 5, otherwise there is no room for ammo. 75x1,8 = 135.

They need to include limited range for Clan LRMs.

@QuantumButler

Please stick to the rules, 90ton-MadCat II is out of question.

Edited by Comguard, 21 March 2013 - 06:17 AM.

[Raalic]

The two cheesiest possibilities have pretty much been covered. Vulture and Nova are gonna be very boat-friendly. I lean toward the Vulture (any of its missile-heavy variants) being THE big cheese, particularly if clan tech ends up being canon. CLRMs and SSRM4/6 are gonna be absolutely stupid. Put them on a 60-ton 'mech with an 360XL and you have a 100kph torso-mounted LRM boat with a 108dmg alpha and no minimum range. Oh dear lord the qq's.

[Ranzear]

ER Medium Lasers. Period.

There's a reason the Nova looks like a meltdown waiting to happen but is staggeringly effective.

[MustrumRidcully]

Any Clan Mech will be cheesy. IN their standard configs, they probably will all overheat like crazy, just as stock mechs already do, but even then they'll still be more effective then IS stock mechs... And some of their weapons might be good enough it doesn't matter. And they will stil lhave the heat capacity for alphas that will likely beat out anything the IS can achieve.

I don't know what Clan Mechs use Gauss Rifles, but any of those will rock by default.

Edited by MustrumRidcully, 21 March 2013 - 06:22 AM.

[Comguard]

@MustrumRidcully

Gauss Rifle is the only weapon that has the same damage and range ratings as its inner sphere counterpart, so that is the weapon you have to be least scared off

[Scratx]

Comguard, on 21 March 2013 - 06:24 AM, said:

@MustrumRidcully

Gauss Rifle is the only weapon that has the same damage and range ratings as its inner sphere counterpart, so that is the weapon you have to be least scared off

Indeed. It''s mainly only a tonnage difference. 12 tons instead of 15, and 6 crits versus 7.

[3rdworld]

Comguard, on 21 March 2013 - 06:16 AM, said:

@3rdworld
You're right, I forgot...

Clan SSRM6: 3 tons
Clan LRM 15: 3,5 tons

But you could only effectively use 5, otherwise there is no room for ammo. 75x1,8 = 135.

They need to include limited range for Clan LRMs.

@QuantumButler

Please stick to the rules, 90ton-MadCat II is out of question.

the D config mad cat would have 4 missile ports.

The Clan LRM 20 is 5 tons and 4 crits so 6 tons and 5 crits with art

Given that clan XLs only take up 2 crits in the side torso, it would have no issues running 4CLRM-20s w/Art.

That is a 144dmg alpha from ranges 0-1000m, and would like be able to mount an xl 400 (assuming they can swap engines) and would run 95kph with Speed Tweak.

Edited by 3rdworld, 21 March 2013 - 06:29 AM.

[buttmonkey]

im guessing a vulture packed with streaks or srms, just like the infamous splatcat

[Adridos]

No min range, gents. That's 160 damage.

The same mech goes 10xUAC/2... gattlings have less bullets per second.

Then we have 3xUAC/20 in a non-idiotic mech (as Clan mechs don't have to sacrifice anything to use it).

Shall I go on...?

[3rdworld]

Adridos, on 21 March 2013 - 06:33 AM, said:

No min range, gents. That's 160 damage.

The same mech goes 10xUAC/2... gattlings have less bullets per second.

Then we have 3xUAC/20 in a non-idiotic mech (as Clan mechs don't have to sacrifice anything to use it).

Shall I go on...?

Actually it would have a 216dmg alpha.

My guess is that our chances of seeing the Bane in game are slim to none.

[Comguard]

@Adrios

Only 3050-Technical Readout mechs. The Bane is not part of the inital invasion and as such not part of this topic.