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[Serapth]

While still allowing premades in the PUG queue? Of all the OP mechanics that have ever been in the game, except perhaps death from above Artemis, nothing is as OP as allowing 4 people on comms to play against 8 strangers.


Since apparently, most people group.... they should have no problem balancing a premade on each side, should they????

[SteelJaws]

What if you had a premade on your side aswell, and they just failed vs the premade on the other side?

[benth]

Originally, the reason for there not being a solo-only queue was that it would split the playerbase and make matchmaking impossible.

Since we are now getting a segmented community anyway due to 1st and 3rd person, a solo-only queue should be back on the table.

[armyof1]

I know what you're saying OP, but it's never going to happen. With people dropping together as 2-4 people, if they'd have to put them together in 2 teams of 8 or in the future even 12, it'd be a mess the poor matchmaker would never be able to solve well. I mean even now when lonewolves are tossed in there to glue the whole foundation of the match together, the matchmaker is still churning out 7 on 8 or 6 on 8 matches quite often. It would be great with a pure lonewolf queue but no I don't think there will ever be the foundation to do so.

[Voridan Atreides]

It would be a total mess.

[Particle Man]

yea, they're segmenting the community, so lets segment it some more! what could go wrong?


go play a singleplayer game if you dont like playing with people

[Serapth]

SteelJaws, on 22 March 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

What if you had a premade on your side aswell, and they just failed vs the premade on the other side?

Then I know I failed, and it was a quirk of that matchmaker. Just guarantee it, and mark premades as premades, and Im happy as a pig in ****.

[Serapth]

benth, on 22 March 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Originally, the reason for there not being a solo-only queue was that it would split the playerbase and make matchmaking impossible.

Since we are now getting a segmented community anyway due to 1st and 3rd person, a solo-only queue should be back on the table.

I'd like to believe they arent actually @$#@$ing stupid enough to split the community over 3rd vs 1st person perspective, but it seems they are. In all honesty, that is probably when I quit as it's proof that lunatics ( publisher? ) are running the asylum.

I am not calling for the queue to be split though. Just mark premades and put one on each team... then start your elo calculations. I mean, if premades are the majority, it shouldn't be hard to get one or two premades for each side, right?

[benth]

Serapth, on 22 March 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

I'd like to believe they arent actually @$#@$ing stupid enough to split the community over 3rd vs 1st person perspective, but it seems they are. In all honesty, that is probably when I quit as it's proof that lunatics ( publisher? ) are running the asylum.

I am not calling for the queue to be split though. Just mark premades and put one on each team... then start your elo calculations. I mean, if premades are the majority, it shouldn't be hard to get one or two premades for each side, right?

Marking premades on the scoreboard and ensuring one premade on each side would go a long way to balance the game.

There are many, many systems that this game needs that are basically standard everywhere else.

Instead they work on things they can monetize, like coolant, or draw in some nebulous audience like third person.

The only positive thing they've done recently is lay bare their true attitudes.

[Caleb Lee]

Serapth, on 22 March 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

I'd like to believe they arent actually @$#@$ing stupid enough to split the community over 3rd vs 1st person perspective, but it seems they are. In all honesty, that is probably when I quit as it's proof that lunatics ( publisher? ) are running the asylum.

I am not calling for the queue to be split though. Just mark premades and put one on each team... then start your elo calculations. I mean, if premades are the majority, it shouldn't be hard to get one or two premades for each side, right?

I agree... they shouldn't split the community. In view of that... they shouldn't even add 3rd person either but it looks like they are moving forward.

If 3rd person is allowed and combined with 1st person then they will need to nerf 3rd person users XP and Cbills gain by at least 50% for the advantage that will give them. I.E. If you want to use it, you pay the price for the advantage.

[Chavette]

SteelJaws, on 22 March 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

What if you had a premade on your side aswell, and they just failed vs the premade on the other side?

I'll be the one bringing the sad news today, but every match there is one losing team.

[Darkfire66]

Serapth, on 22 March 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

While still allowing premades in the PUG queue? Of all the OP mechanics that have ever been in the game, except perhaps death from above Artemis, nothing is as OP as allowing 4 people on comms to play against 8 strangers.


Since apparently, most people group.... they should have no problem balancing a premade on each side, should they????

TEAMWORK IS OP

[Serapth]

Darkfire66, on 22 March 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

TEAMWORK IS OP

Frankly, in this game, with the complete **** text based communication tools....

Yes, it is.

[Hedonism Robot]

ELO keeps this as balanced as possible given the player base. People who group all the time get more wins and play against better lone wolves. I believe they also mentioned that when you group up with more people it adds a slight multiplier to your ELO matchmaking value to compensate for the teamwork like league of legends does. I used to have a problem with groups vs pugs, but since they finally got a skill based matchmaker in the game its not been a problem anymore.

[Moonsavage]

It's annoying that the side with the best group is much more likely to win - makes it very unrewarding to play as a solo queuer.

[keith]

IP-na1.mech-connect.net
pass-WordofBlake

go find some friends and makes some premade for your own 4 mans. there are many friendly and helpful ppl on them comms.

[Serapth]

keith, on 22 March 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

IP-na1.mech-connect.net
pass-WordofBlake

go find some friends and makes some premade for your own 4 mans. there are many friendly and helpful ppl on them comms.

... seriously, at this point... just dont.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

SteelJaws, on 22 March 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

What if you had a premade on your side aswell, and they just failed vs the premade on the other side?

Then it would have at least been more fair, sadly this is not usually the case. Premades can match vs full pug, and thus they usually do. It DOES NOT require a team on both sides. It will just drop with whatever falls into place. This is a huge issue that needs fixing. If Team A has a group, then Team B should have one too, even if they aren't perfectly sized. 2 vs 4 would be better than team vs no team.

[Zylo]

benth, on 22 March 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Originally, the reason for there not being a solo-only queue was that it would split the playerbase and make matchmaking impossible.

Since we are now getting a segmented community anyway due to 1st and 3rd person, a solo-only queue should be back on the table.

Solo only won't happen because PGI would be unable to stop sync-droppers from all solo dropping into a match and then working together as a team. You will NEVER get away from organized teams in this game since players will always find a way to work with others.

Matchmaker is supposed to match a premade on 1 side against a pre-made group on the other side. I'm not sure what happens when 2 groups end up on the same side if it's possible there might only be a single group + 4 pugs on the other side.

Keep in mind not every group will let you know they are a group. If they are on TS they might not even reply to some random player asking in team chat if there is a pre-made group on the team.

[Serapth]

Zylo, on 22 March 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

Matchmaker is supposed to match a premade on 1 side against a pre-made group on the other side. I'm not sure what happens when 2 groups end up on the same side if it's possible there might only be a single group + 4 pugs on the other side.

No, it's not. We have been crying for this functionality forever ( and were told Elo would fix it... yeah right... ), but this is not in game.