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[Just wanna play]

never thought i had a speed problem, and i moved to this cataphract from a hbk-4sp, i will be buying a hunchie after i finally get an atlas and what could i do to improve range??? ac/20 is all i have to use at longe range, of course, nothing wrong with smashing a catapaults face in with it it says max range is 270m, is it suppose to be able to shoot much further?? i can hit people at like 800m with it

[Just wanna play]

i will start trying to support assaults, of course, if i do, i better hope their pilot isn't an idot.

anyway, is the atlas worth waiting for? i noticed two of the lasers are in the ct, so it doesn't seem like much of an upgrade over these hardpoint wise. would be sweet to put dual lbx shotguns in the rt, always wanted to try that.....

[joedawg39s]

the ac20 does 10 damage out to 810m, http://mwowiki.org/wiki/Autocannon_20. Not enough to do any real damage but you can scare people with it. You want to hang around big guys and stick to cover so you arent the prime target fo snipers, they will ruin your day. As far as being worth it for an atlas you have to decide, 25 extra tons and ~175 armor wouldnt hurt. CT lases are good because you will have them untill you die just cant mout anything big. You will also eventually want to buy 3 and the RS has 4 arm hardpoints. You might also want to try the highlander when it comes out (next month mabye) http://mwowiki.org/wiki/Highlander

[Just wanna play]

ahhh, the rs can't mount dual shotguns <

what is the highlander al about? as in:
atlas=defense, brawling, stalker = hardpnts etc

so really, if i buy an atlas, it will be like a matured and complete version of my cataphract, after some tinkering of course

[Just wanna play]

So which do you guys think would be the best brawler

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...cb19fd0494ab368 26 dps (stays nice and toasty:))

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...698835f0b3eb85f 19.5 dps

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...12debaa1a856258 20.7 dps (dual shotguns, need i say more)

dps measurment uses mwowiki stats

probably should make the atlas d, the bottom one, right??

[joedawg39s]

The D is your best build out of those 3. That stalker will die every time though, you can fire the lasers twice before overheating and at that speed you wont make it out of your base by the time the fight is started Then when the lights find you you would only have 4 SRM volleys and no twist speed. The large pulses are also only effective out to 600M so you will be an easy target. its hotter than a 6PPC stalker which is not good.

this is a good brawler stalker

I would start with the D, then get a D-DC and an RS so you can get elite and master efficiencies. But i would seriously drop the large pulses for regular larges, its too much extra heat and weight to boat effectively. You have to remember that when you overheat brawling in an assault mech you basically give you enemy a free shot to your rear armor, and if he is good he will stay behind you and core you out, that's how I usually end up killing atlases. Sustained firepower is what makes a good atlas.

[Just wanna play]

lol yeah, i knew that stalker was a suicide set-up. it was just a little thought in my head, i had another thought of a 6ppc stalker with 4ish lrm 20s
also, you say the large pulses are 2 hot to boat with well, which mech where you saying was badly set-up becuz of that? and you said the d is the best of the three, is it actually good or do they all suck???

[Just wanna play]

should i trun the artemis srm6s into normal srm6s? would free up some weight and space, btw, heres more set-ups floating around in my head:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...1307335a3824bbe
&
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...5082e80dbcc3e17
noticed ppc shoot faster then lrge pulse laserz, and do same dmg

since large pulse laserz have a shorter range then ppcs, i kinda wish they had better recycle rate, or something, since they currently both do the same damage, but the ppc shoots faster, making the ppc the strongest energy weapon,then again it is really, really, hot

and it sure is versatile

[Just wanna play]

idk how to put the extra heatsinks on the bigger engines, so they are slightly cooler then it says

[joedawg39s]

No your atlas builds aren't terrible, for the D I personaly think you just run to hot, you would probly do best to use the PPCs as you close in then use the SRMS/ballistics to finish the job up close, that will keep you from overheating, then by that logic you could even use PPCs instead of ERPPCS.
That RS build is a monster, its a sniper though, hits like a 6ppc stalker but at all ranges and maybe runs cooler, I would drop the SRMS and switch the AC20 to a gauss rifle (I had 2 tons left over I couldn't fill with the AC20), you will have trouble with lights but when you hit its gonna hurt. AS7-RS.

[Just wanna play]

don't gauss rifles blow up?? i noticed my ac/20 got hit a lot when i used an atlas, so wouldn't the gauss be blowing up all the time?? and i seem to be good at hitting lights, my first mech was a spider after all, so lights arent that hard to hit

why switch ac/20 for gauss?? heat?? how do you think my beastly ppc rs would do against the brawling stalker set-up you linked?

[Just wanna play]

and again, how would my D build do against that stalker

[joedawg39s]

It would depend if he can get the jump on you or not, if you can keep him at range the atlas will take the stalker.
I switched out the ac20 because the gauss let me fit another heat sink and is cooler, you could do either though. They do explode for 20 damage but, it is a pretty fair tradeoff for the longer range.

[Just wanna play]

should i be using xl engines?? i never did like using them, easier to get killed, took up more slots, but i don't really know for sure and what if i switch two er ppcs for two lrg pulse laserz?? would be cooler running, but still be versatile and just as beastly

why would i have to keep him at range??? maybe with my rs i would, but it looks like my D has more firepower and better armor

20.7 vs 16.5 dps
and a good 120 more armor points
am i wrong???
also, my ac/20 srm equipped ppc rs had a 19.5 dps rating, although might melt a little to quickly to get the kill...

and skill is the most important factor, which can't be calculated, yet

[Just wanna play]

maybe i should be trying to build a stalker, not an atlas

[joedawg39s]

Xl in the RS maybe, although not much space for more weapons so I don't know how much it will help. You and the stalker would both end up really beat up in a close range brawl so its best to play to your strengths and minimize your damage taken if you can.

stalkers tend not to be the greatest brawlers because they have a bad torso twist/fire arc, its doable you will just have a harder time keeping people in front of you when you are up at close range.

[Just wanna play]

yeah, i did notice that with my trial 4n, and why is the lbx 10 so expensive? i was seeing what my D atlas would look like with dual uac/5s, didnt notice they had higher dps then lbx, of course less alpha, and i noticed lbx10 is 800,000k why is that???? hrers it with uacs
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...f2e51a035e0ab11

21.8 dps, i can also get a smaller engine then that and free some more tons and get another heat sink or 2, or maybe an ams

so what do you think, think i should save up to build this thing???

or the rs

or have you seen better brawlers set-up by experienced builders

[joedawg39s]

You seem to have your heart set on the atlas so I would go for it. As far as builds I don't have an atlas I'm just going off of what I have seen. You can probably get better info here http://www.mechspecs...y.php?22-Atlas. Also dont fell like you need to make the optimum build right off the start, compared to mechs weapons are super cheep, its only new engines that really set you back.

[focuspark]

Just wanna play, on 24 March 2013 - 09:12 AM, said:

So which do you guys think would be the best brawler

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...cb19fd0494ab368 26 dps (stays nice and toasty:))

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...698835f0b3eb85f 19.5 dps

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...12debaa1a856258 20.7 dps (dual shotguns, need i say more)

dps measurment uses mwowiki stats

probably should make the atlas d, the bottom one, right??

You seems to like LPL. In my experience LL is always a better choice than LPL. Better range, less heat, lighter, only 1 less damage. I find builds where I can pack on LL are builds where I get to be #1 on the leader boards at the end of the match.

[focuspark]

If DPS and kills are your #1 concern, then try this: Monster Atlas (non-ECM)

Otherwise, just get a D-DC with ECM.