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[LordBraxton]

SRMs ridiculous value for their weight was the only thing keeping mediums viable.

Their easy access to high speeds meant they could deliver high alpha SRM payloads into ideal positions very quickly.

Now that heavy direct fire weapons are the order of the day, there is no reason for me to use any mech other than my direct fire heavies. As I do about twice as much damage per round with a direct fire Cataphract vs my best medium builds.

So about that weight balancing?

Or are we too busy with third person\gold flush\gold strikes\regional server divide\Clan taxes?

EDIT----- A lot of miss-communication has taken place in this thread, let me elaborate by saying my major problem with mediums is in a competitive setting. 8 mans mostly or High ELO 4 mans

In a PUG match even my trash build Dragons can top the charts with 800dmg 5 kills etc etc

PUGing is for a relaxing evening, feeling like a bad *** as you trash enemy teams with the mechs you would never dream of bringing to an 8 man.

In a competitive drop everything is different, speed wont protect you only cover will, and high alpha heavies will land shots on your 120kph mech at 800 meters with relative ease.

Edited by LordBraxton, 30 March 2013 - 07:43 PM.

[WildeKarde]

I have to agree a bit, missiles points are a bit limited now on mediums. LRM's are not doing a lot of damage and SRM's are reduced damage as well. May as well stick to SSRM's as at least they will hit when locked.

From today I was either seeing LRM's incoming or SSRM's being fired, the exception on SRM's were mechs mounting 3+ of them as a weapons.

[CDLord HHGD]

You talk as if SRMs are the only viable weapon available to a Medium. My 4G hunchie with AC/20 still does quite nicely. There are very few custom builds out there that I cannot 1:1 and no stock mechs. Perhaps your reliance on SRMs when they were OP (debatable) has hindered your development as a medium pilot?

I will agree that there are still some serious balance issues out there while announcing the strikes and flush items and then there's this thing with Community Warfare being Premium only (or only for Merc Corps, or whatever. Whoever said it sounded like a plan written on a bar napkin had it right).

[LordBraxton]

cdlord, on 30 March 2013 - 12:06 PM, said:

You talk as if SRMs are the only viable weapon available to a Medium. My 4G hunchie with AC/20 still does quite nicely. There are very few custom builds out there that I cannot 1:1 and no stock mechs. Perhaps your reliance on SRMs when they were OP (debatable) has hindered your development as a medium pilot?

I will agree that there are still some serious balance issues out there while announcing the strikes and flush items and then there's this thing with Community Warfare being Premium only (or only for Merc Corps, or whatever. Whoever said it sounded like a plan written on a bar napkin had it right).

You are coming across pretty arrogantly here but I'll try to ascribe it to text based misscommunication

My point isn't that I can't do well in a medium, my point is that heavies do everything better.

I'm glad you do well in an AC20 hunch, but that doesnt mean an AC40 cat\jager isn't that much better.

Hell AC40 jagers go the same speed as an AC20 hunch, and your RT is just as big a target as a Jagers XL if not bigger.

So don't let your pride blind your eyes, I can top the charts in my centurion, but I'm twice as effective in a cataphract.

Its not because I'm not a good medium pilot, its because heavies simply bring more to the table.

Edited by LordBraxton, 30 March 2013 - 12:10 PM.

[Nathan Foxbane]

My Cents never carried SRMs, the Streaks are on my Trebs to take up space, and the SRM 2s on my X-5 are an afterthought when I decided they where there because I liked the interesting patterns they made when fired. Where are you getting that SRMs are the beat-all-end-all of medium 'Mechs?

[Stone Profit]

LordBraxton, on 30 March 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

SRMs ridiculous value for their weight was the only thing keeping mediums viable.

Their easy access to high speeds meant they could deliver high alpha SRM payloads into ideal positions very quickly.

Now that heavy direct fire weapons are the order of the day, there is no reason for me to use any mech other than my direct fire heavies. As I do about twice as much damage per round with a direct fire Cataphract vs my best medium builds.

So about that weight balancing?

Or are we too busy with third person\gold flush\gold strikes\regional server divide\Clan taxes?

Hmm, i must not be using mediums right when I top the damage charts at 600... Ill have to make sure I stop doing that.

[LordBraxton]

Stone Profit, on 30 March 2013 - 12:12 PM, said:

Hmm, i must not be using mediums right when I top the damage charts at 600... Ill have to make sure I stop doing that.

read the whole thread before replying next time smart ***

[GODzillaGSPB]

I only have one medium with SRMs...no, that's not right, one uses three streaks. When I tried them post-hotfix they were working pretty well. My other two mediums use gauss and ac/20 and they play pretty good, too. They never had SRMs nor will they ever get them.

[One Medic Army]

It'd help if the trebuchet and centurion at least had smaller hitboxes than the heavier mechs.
Right now it's slower than a light, with slightly more firepower, and about 4-5x the frontal cross-section.

I ran my trebuchets on Thursday plenty to get the XP, and I did well with them so long as I was using the arm lasers primarily, but dear god trebs are too easy to focus fire on their bits compared to lights, cicadas, and hunchbacks.

Edited by One Medic Army, 30 March 2013 - 12:23 PM.

[Stone Profit]

LordBraxton, on 30 March 2013 - 12:13 PM, said:

read the whole thread before replying next time smart ***

I did read the whole post. I only wanted to comment about the medium part. But you dont give a **** that I disagree with you do you? nope, you just want to be insulting. Thankfully I can report you. DONE!
Man my ignore list is growing by leaps and bounds today!

Edited by Stone Profit, 30 March 2013 - 12:18 PM.

[LordBraxton]

Stone Profit, on 30 March 2013 - 12:17 PM, said:

I did read the whole post. I only wanted to comment about the medium part. But you dont give a **** that I disagree with you do you? nope, you just want to be insulting. Thankfully I can report you. DONE!

THREAD not POST wow can't even read a single post.

I am not implying medium mechs can't do very well, but I'm 100% sure a skilled pilot will bring more to the table in a heavy.



And report me for what? You're a class act hahahaha

GODzillaGSPB, on 30 March 2013 - 12:13 PM, said:

I only have one medium with SRMs...no, that's not right, one uses three streaks. When I tried them post-hotfix they were working pretty well. My other two mediums use gauss and ac/20 and they play pretty good, too. They never had SRMs nor will they ever get them.

Thats great, try a similar loadout in a heavy going the same speed and you'll find out that weight balancing is important.

Edited by LordBraxton, 30 March 2013 - 12:21 PM.

[SmoothCriminal]

I still pref mediums for their agility and size. No one cares about a medium, and pre-nerfhilation of SRMs the Cent-A was king for surprising anyone. Now theyre more suited to support/hit and run. You can still plonk 2 PPCs on the arm of a Cent-AL and tear stuff up. Pretty sure the JM doesnt go 110kph. In the kindest of manners, consider adjusting your playstyle load out to reflect the meta-change.

[Stone Profit]

LordBraxton, on 30 March 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

THREAD not POST wow can't even read a single post.

I am not implying medium mechs can't do very well, but I'm 100% sure a skilled pilot will bring more to the table in a heavy.



And report me for what? You're a class act hahahaha



Thats great, try a similar loadout in a heavy going the same speed and you'll find out that weight balancing is important.

For being insulting of course. Just cant have a rational discussion can you?

[LordBraxton]

SmoothCriminal, on 30 March 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:

I still pref mediums for their agility and size. No one cares about a medium, and pre-nerfhilation of SRMs the Cent-A was king for surprising anyone. Now theyre more suited to support/hit and run. You can still plonk 2 PPCs on the arm of a Cent-AL and tear stuff up. Pretty sure the JM doesnt go 110kph. In the kindest of manners, consider adjusting your playstyle load out to reflect the meta-change.

Please don't think I'm saying mediums can't kick ***, carry a team, or finish with 800+ dmg 6 kills etc

I'm saying that same pilot would do more damage in a heavy because they are almost as nimble with twice the firepower and more armor

[Braggart]

yes, mediums need some love.

They cant carry much firepower, they dont carry much armor, and they are to big for their speed to actually help them dodge.

I played mediums for quite a while, and then i got an awesome, and a phract and realized just how terrible mediums are.

In a medium you gotta be at the top of your game at all times, and never screw up. Playing a heavy or assault gives me plenty of room for error and still top the damage chart. Can mediums still be used effective, sure, but I know that that guy using that medium well would be a real pain in the *** if he were in a heavier or lighter mech.

The sheer amount of firepower that heavies can carry ruin the usefulness of mediums. No medium can go up against my phract with 3 large lasers and an AC20. I generally cripple a hunchback in the first volley taking out their RT.

The easiest way to make mediums worthwhile is to have tonnage limits for launches. Way to common now are for matches to have 5-6 heavy and assault, and if we are lucky 2 lights, and if we are unlucky 2 mediums. With tonnage limits, we can also limit the amount of heavy and assaults on the field, and remove the massive firepower that unbalances the game.

Edited by Braggart, 30 March 2013 - 12:27 PM.

[LordBraxton]

Stone Profit, on 30 March 2013 - 12:22 PM, said:

For being insulting of course. Just cant have a rational discussion can you?

Please go report everyone on the forum who has ever been insulting, I'll see you in 16 years.

Your post was full of sarcasm, making you a smart ***. Thats what a smart *** does, comes into a rational debate and ladles on the arrogance\sarcasm.

[Dreamslave]

My Centurions A and D still perform perfectly well for the roles we use them in. I see no issue whatsoever with mediums.

PEBCAK.

[LiminalSpace]

My 4Gauss and 4SP still do just fine. Maybe mediums are still pretty good in the lower ELO brackets, though. And certainly, running into any AC40 mech at close range is Very Bad For My Health^TM.

[GODzillaGSPB]

LordBraxton, on 30 March 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

Thats great, try a similar loadout in a heavy going the same speed and you'll find out that weight balancing is important.

I'm afraid I'm not getting it. The meaning. Mhm...could you explain please?

[LordBraxton]

Dreamslave, on 30 March 2013 - 12:28 PM, said:

My Centurions A and D still perform perfectly well for the roles we use them in. I see no issue whatsoever with mediums.

PEBCAK.

Please elaborate on that role?

I LOVE my CN9-A, its an excellent skirmisher, can brawl, and can respond quickly as the battle changes.

However my CTF-2X going 86.6 KPH does all that just as well, with much more armor and firepower.

I think the people defending mediums here probably PUG pretty much exclusively, because when you PUG you can roll face even with trash builds.