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[Hythos]

I started to notice last night, that PPC/Gauss don't hit Commandos reliably (less than 5% will deal damage).

On several occasions, I have gotten into a brawl with a COM between point-blank and 150m, mostly around 75m. Use of PPC's and Gauss will show as a 'hit' (red reticle), but the target takes no damage. Yes, I am well aware that PPC's deal reduced damage below 90m, but if a Commando has a blood-red CT and the PPC's show they had hit, it should kill after a few hits. I have been in this situation several times and fired 20+ PPC bolts between the forementioned range, and NOT destroyed the target (at ~25m, 2xPPC's should still deal 1pt damage). Regardless - the Gauss should have killed the target alone.

I have gone as far as standing still to gently aim 75-125m away, and while I can hit Jenners, Ravens, Cicadas comparitive scenario, it is the Commandos that do not take damage.

"Rewind" aside, this still occurrs when firing at a target moving straight at or slightly off head-on.

[SPencil]

HSR isn't implemented for PPC (to my knowledge), right now it works for laser.

What looks like a hit to you might not be a hit on their screen, or on the server.

[Khobai]

Commandos should be mostly unhittable... theyere frickin 25 tons.

Its the 35 ton Ravens and 40 ton Cicadas that need to be hittable.

[Kiiyor]

Khobai, on 30 March 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

Commandos should be mostly unhittable... theyere frickin 25 tons.

Its the 35 ton Ravens and 40 ton Cicadas that need to be hittable.

Cicadas are more than hittable. They have a much bigger profile than most of the other fast movers.

Commandos are much easier to hit with lasers now, not so much with everything else. I think their profile has a lot to do with that though; undulations in the ground that wouldn't even offer an Atlas ankle security can be great cover for a commando.

[Khobai]

Commandos should go faster than Cicadas though. Its a bit unfair that a Cicada with a 15 ton advantage can go the same speed and often faster than a Commando.

[LaserAngel]

They're tiny metal babbies. I can't even see them out of my Atlas' cockpit from time to time.

[Krondor]

Khobai, on 30 March 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

Commandos should be mostly unhittable... theyere frickin 25 tons.

Its the 35 ton Ravens and 40 ton Cicadas that need to be hittable.

Cicadas are easy to hit. Besides, it seems most people just leg them anyway.

[Grayseven]

Projectile weapons are a pain to use on light, fast mechs anyway. That's why I always try to pack a couple of ML's or LL's.

Otherwise, it's just luck and timing. I've seen some nice gauss leggings lately on spiders and commandos.

I blame my not being able to hit them on my chuckling every time I see one run by...they just look so silly when they run. Like Forrest Gump.

[Novakaine]

Light mechs should be just that light and fragile given their size and speed.
But oh no not here.
Imagine a Atlas running around at 193 kph.
Ya can't can you?
Why?
Beacause their heavy and armored to the cockpit.
Light mechs should not pack the armor of pocket battleship but they do.
Not to mention the hit boxes of a wasp's ***.
Just plain stupid PGI.

[orion0117]

My metal babies get hit plenty, though about 70% are scratches and 30% are boom dead!

[Sacrosanct]

This is a joke right? Commandos are notoriously fragile.


You fart in a commandos general direction and it goes

[Grayseven]

Novakaine, on 30 March 2013 - 03:06 PM, said:

Light mechs should be just that light and fragile given their size and speed.
But oh no not here.
Imagine a Atlas running around at 193 kph.
Ya can't can you?
Why?
Beacause their heavy and armored to the cockpit.
Light mechs should not pack the armor of pocket battleship but they do.
Not to mention the hit boxes of a wasp's ***.
Just plain stupid PGI.

At my best, my lights have around a third the armor of an Atlas. Most locations can be opened up with 20 points of damage. Some of the builds out there will peel open a light in one salvo...if they hit. Hitting is often the issue. If you hit me with 5 LL's I'm going to hurt, but if you can't keep them on me for the full duration it's not near as bad.

I often see rounds being shot behind me, mechs trying to turn with me instead of counter turning, and generally just bad aim. I've found myself complacent lately because of all the bad shots, and that's the moment I take dual AC/20's from a skilled shooter...

Lights are frail...anything bigger than them can damage them just by brushing past them...but you can't expect every light mech to go down in one shot. Then this would just turn into Atlas online.

[Novakaine]

orion0117, on 30 March 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:

My metal babies get hit plenty, though about 70% are scratches and 30% are boom dead!

My point proven.
Just plain Stupid.

[Henree]

just wait till lrms get fixed back.

[Commander Kobold]

Hythos, on 30 March 2013 - 01:55 PM, said:

I started to notice last night, that PPC/Gauss don't hit Commandos reliably (less than 5% will deal damage).

On several occasions, I have gotten into a brawl with a COM between point-blank and 150m, mostly around 75m. Use of PPC's and Gauss will show as a 'hit' (red reticle), but the target takes no damage. Yes, I am well aware that PPC's deal reduced damage below 90m, but if a Commando has a blood-red CT and the PPC's show they had hit, it should kill after a few hits. I have been in this situation several times and fired 20+ PPC bolts between the forementioned range, and NOT destroyed the target (at ~25m, 2xPPC's should still deal 1pt damage). Regardless - the Gauss should have killed the target alone.

I have gone as far as standing still to gently aim 75-125m away, and while I can hit Jenners, Ravens, Cicadas comparitive scenario, it is the Commandos that do not take damage.

"Rewind" aside, this still occurrs when firing at a target moving straight at or slightly off head-on.

PPCs and Gauss don't get rewind only MGs flamers and lasers

Henri Schoots, on 30 March 2013 - 03:39 PM, said:

just wait till lrms get fixed back.

soontm

[Dirkdaring]

He's right I think, something is wrong. I have a 2 ERPPC gauss. Last night several times I just could not damage commandos. Was scratching my head. At one point the command turned right in front of me, back to me. Hit him square in the back and he kept right on going. I then hit a Raven going full speed at almost 3* the distance and legged it.

[Helsbane]

About two hours ago I had a pair of AC20 rounds fly straight through the CT of a Centurion without scoring a hit. 24m away from me, center mass with the crosshairs, and no impact. It ain't just the Commandos....

[Ecouto]

LOL wait for the flea ^

[WhistlR]

Helsbane, on 30 March 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

About two hours ago I had a pair of AC20 rounds fly straight through the CT of a Centurion without scoring a hit. 24m away from me, center mass with the crosshairs, and no impact. It ain't just the Commandos....

I had this happen on Frozen City against a Centurion, and Alpine against a Jager, 2 ac20's CT about 400m and no damage.

I also hit a Jenner 4 times with ac20 running away from me and he only registered 1% damage,.. this all started within the last week.

Edited by WhistlR, 30 March 2013 - 06:54 PM.

[Gralzeim]

At least we don't have to fight light mechs the same size as a Commando but thinner and with a lot of jump jets. Right?

Seriously though, Commandos are just tricky to hit due to speed and narrow profile. Spiders are similarly difficult. At least you can leg Ravens, Cicadas, and Jenners more easily because most of their profile is legs (and Raven legs are even easier to hit now due to hitboxes larger than the model's legs) with a little stumpy torso and stubby 'arms'. Commandos and Spiders have a different leg-to-torso proportion and a narrower side profile.

'course, anything running in a straight line towards you or away from you is easy to hit, but I digress.

Edited by Gralzeim, 30 March 2013 - 06:57 PM.