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[Scromboid]

Dennis de Koning, on 03 April 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

[sigh]...

And this is a great example. Here is someone with 49 posts and one of them is ..sigh..

We don't require your derision. We are passionate about this game. This particular thread is probably not the best one to be answered, but there are others that are.

[DragonsFire]

If you're frustrated, it's understandable. That is part of the development process, and if you're attempting to play a game and it gets interrupted due to a patch, the proper course of action is not to come to the forums and throw a fit about it.

Come to the forums, document the issue you are seeing, your hardware and software, and any steps taken to recreate said defect. That is part of the development process as well. The danger of thinking that we are somehow outside of this development window, which a number of folks here think we are, leads people to believe that they should have a complete gaming experience with every patch and no interruption in their play time. That is not the case. If you are getting frustrated by this process, then you need to take a break.

Otherwise, do yourself, PGI, and everyone a favor and actually report the defect with AS MUCH information as you possibly can. Put in every detail you can. And most importantly, put it in the feedback forums for the particular patch.

[F lan Ker]

S!

Ehum..do not take this too seriously..http://memecrunch.co...i-qa-department

[skamage]

Jchan1e, on 03 April 2013 - 08:47 AM, said:

Beta or otherwise, a lot of people seem to forget the size of PGI's workforce. There's only so much they can do with the number of developers they have.

Maybe it will get better since they are looking to double their workforce?

[Smokeyjedi]

I would see less things being hurled at PGI if they just raised their standards not their cost to players.......

[BlackWidow]

Max Power, on 03 April 2013 - 08:41 AM, said:

Well, if that restaurant advertised that they had deep fried food, then I would say C.

Kinda like how MWO was advertised as a 1st person sim that would not be P2W, but it's not going to be/already is.

Ah ha! Good point. Except they didn't advertise they had deep fired food. They just said we are allowing folks to come in and try things out BEFORE final phase is complete. You are welcome to participate or not.

And as far as the 1st person/3rd person argument...hey. Menu's change. (sticking with the food analogy) If I own a Burger joint, and constantly get people asking for pizza...I offer pizza. I don't force you to eat pizza. I only offer it for those that want it. Which is exactly what the 1st/3rd will be like.

And I have been on the boards since day one and have YET to read a SINGLE post where someone can backup their P2W statements with hard gameplay analogies. Sure, there are some theories with some grey areas. But, people also need to stop thinking black and white. F2P games still need to support the developers or *gasp!* no more game. P2W implies cash customers either A) get something non-paying cannot get get a permanent tactical advantage others can't get.

But in between the two is Pay for Power (P4P) And I wish people would start to realize this. Power meaning, early implementations, such as getting the HERO Highlander before other variants are released.(which I totally agree with)
Power meaning TIME saved. As in, I can BUY an Atlas now, or save up C-bills and get one for FREE. Does this mean the other guy may have an advantage in the mean time? Sure. It may. But as I see Commando's take out Atlas' solo all the time, this argument holds no water.

Which is why I stand by my statement that NOT A SINGLE person has provided empirical evidence that ANY feature or system in this game give a permanent tactical advantage over others.

Theoretically, I can see why people look at it that way. But, since player skill far outweighs any other feature of this game and (IMHO) always will, P2W complainers are putting the cart before the horse.

And for those that even want to complain about P4P items? Unless you want to see Mechwarrior disappear for another 10 years...PGI has to have income. If you don't want to pay? Fine. Mooch all you want like it's your parents basement.
But don't deride the company or their customers who have less time than money and still want to play.

If said it in a previous post but it bears repeating.

Your money is NOT more valuable that my time. And unless you agree that it's unfair that an student, child, unemployed what have you, player gets to play more that I do because they have more free time, then your argument about paying for time convenience is completely INVALID.

In MWO Money = Time. Money != power. Prove otherwise. I implore you.

[skamage]

Dennis de Koning, on 03 April 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

[sigh]...

I'm envisioning you saw someone you are in love with and accidentally commented in this thread

[Mystere]

Shock Hazard, on 03 April 2013 - 08:44 AM, said:

I read "deep fried steak" on the menu and walk out I wouldn't want to eat in a restaurant that features a chef who brutalizes good beef.

Then you'd probably be shocked to know that I at times use wagyu beef for burgers. Yummy.

[Khobai]

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This thread is hilarious because this is also exactly what ppl say on the TF2 forums.

Yes except TF2 is massively successful. MWO not so much.

[Roadbeer]

Dennis de Koning, on 03 April 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

[sigh]...

And I get moderated for loosing my mind in yet another ECM post for not being constructive....

You're the art director? WHERE'S MY ASHTRAY AND EMPTY BEER CAN COCKPIT ITEMS? BACK TO WORK TROLL

[M4L4R3K]

Alilua, on 02 April 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

EA at least has customer support that will respond in a timely manner.

EA in your sentence makes all of your arguments invalid.(unless it were to complain about them)

[Dnarvel]

You guys do realize PGI has 50 people working on this entire game right? That is not 50 engineers or coders, it is 50 TOTAL. Things can't get fixed immediately, as most forum people demand, they get done when they have free resources to fix it.

Other game developers.. like EA as the OP stated, have HUNDREDS of people working on their games, so of course things will get done faster. And yes, something can still be a BETA and still charge money. What they are doing is basically getting donations to continue development of the game. You don't HAVE to pay to play, so saying it isn't a BETA because they are taking peoples money isn't valid. Now if everyone had to pay to play.. then yes it wouldn't really be a beta, but you don't have to pay, so bit your quicthing. Or if you think you could do things better, apply for a job.. I hear they are hiring.

[Shock Hazard]

John MatriX82, on 03 April 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

First is still a beta and noone asks you to throw cash in it, at least until the game isn't officially launched.

What was that?

WHAT?

SAY AGAIN?



I'm sorry I just can't seem to hear you over the sound of PGI's cash grab.

[The Schwartz]

BlackWidow, on 03 April 2013 - 09:11 AM, said:

Ah ha! Good point. Except they didn't advertise they had deep fired food. They just said we are allowing folks to come in and try things out BEFORE final phase is complete. You are welcome to participate or not.

And as far as the 1st person/3rd person argument...hey. Menu's change. (sticking with the food analogy) If I own a Burger joint, and constantly get people asking for pizza...I offer pizza. I don't force you to eat pizza. I only offer it for those that want it. Which is exactly what the 1st/3rd will be like.

And I have been on the boards since day one and have YET to read a SINGLE post where someone can backup their P2W statements with hard gameplay analogies. Sure, there are some theories with some grey areas. But, people also need to stop thinking black and white. F2P games still need to support the developers or *gasp!* no more game. P2W implies cash customers either A) get something non-paying cannot get get a permanent tactical advantage others can't get.

But in between the two is Pay for Power (P4P) And I wish people would start to realize this. Power meaning, early implementations, such as getting the HERO Highlander before other variants are released.(which I totally agree with)
Power meaning TIME saved. As in, I can BUY an Atlas now, or save up C-bills and get one for FREE. Does this mean the other guy may have an advantage in the mean time? Sure. It may. But as I see Commando's take out Atlas' solo all the time, this argument holds no water.

Which is why I stand by my statement that NOT A SINGLE person has provided empirical evidence that ANY feature or system in this game give a permanent tactical advantage over others.

Theoretically, I can see why people look at it that way. But, since player skill far outweighs any other feature of this game and (IMHO) always will, P2W complainers are putting the cart before the horse.

And for those that even want to complain about P4P items? Unless you want to see Mechwarrior disappear for another 10 years...PGI has to have income. If you don't want to pay? Fine. Mooch all you want like it's your parents basement.
But don't deride the company or their customers who have less time than money and still want to play.

If said it in a previous post but it bears repeating.

Your money is NOT more valuable that my time. And unless you agree that it's unfair that an student, child, unemployed what have you, player gets to play more that I do because they have more free time, then your argument about paying for time convenience is completely INVALID.

In MWO Money = Time. Money != power. Prove otherwise. I implore you.

Your time wont pay the devs to dev where the money does pay the devs to dev. No money=no dev time. No dev time= no you time. Money>your time. You're welcome.

[Vespere Dax]

This is a hilarious thread.
OP do me a favor, go to the WoW threads and take a gander. What you're doing is equivalent to QQ nothing more and nothing less. THere's no pertient information, no helpful or descriptive explanation of a problem or issue.
All you're doing is taking a shot at them. This thread are a waste of time.

If you want dialogue, you want discussion. You have to put some effort into it. (see the guy that did the examination on splash damage from missiles). You just don't go spew about something being broken and sit on your thumbs and wait.

Let me give you a broad overview. They are a game company. They have how many employees to how many users? They get a billion suggestions/complaints a day. They examine problems and prioritize. And let me make something clear to you. Things that will make money will always take priority because they need to feed themselves and their families.

[BlackWidow]

Shock Hazard, on 03 April 2013 - 08:44 AM, said:

You and I both know that heavy metals release is a sales gimmick, to increase MC only sales, its not a bad idea honestly, but the fact that you are milking the cash cow for all its worth means it is NOT BETA.

There is no GIMMICK! Look up the meaning of the word. Sheesh. It *is* in fact a method to increase revenue for the company. NO ONE AT PGI (or any dev) WOULD EVER STATE OTHERWISE. It's smart. I like it. I'm not buying one, but that is just my preference.

"milking a cash cow for all it's worth" Why do you use such hyperbole? And exactly where do you draw YOUR line between getting paid to provide a product or service and MILKING a GIMMICK?

[Noobzorz]

Dennis de Koning, on 03 April 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

[sigh]...

Really?

That's all? I mean, it's one thing for Garth to like a post in which some dude tells someone else to shut up, though his own post is quite measured (even if it is an unprompted explain-like-i'm-five analogy), but to say nothing but "sigh?" If someone at Blizzard did this, the forums would go up like a Ukranian nuclear reactor.

You guys have all been so professional in your communications to this point that it's frankly impressive, yet there are two posts here from devs in this thread which are. . . not professional, in my opinion.

[BlackWidow]

Shock Hazard, on 03 April 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

I'm sorry I just can't seem to hear you over the sound of PGI's cash grab.

Again...where is the line drawn between CASH GRAB and getting paid to provide a service/product?

[Noobzorz]

Vespere Dax, on 03 April 2013 - 09:25 AM, said:

This is a hilarious thread.
OP do me a favor, go to the WoW threads and take a gander. What you're doing is equivalent to QQ nothing more and nothing less. THere's no pertient information, no helpful or descriptive explanation of a problem or issue.
All you're doing is taking a shot at them. This thread are a waste of time.

If you want dialogue, you want discussion. You have to put some effort into it. (see the guy that did the examination on splash damage from missiles). You just don't go spew about something being broken and sit on your thumbs and wait.

Let me give you a broad overview. They are a game company. They have how many employees to how many users? They get a billion suggestions/complaints a day. They examine problems and prioritize. And let me make something clear to you. Things that will make money will always take priority because they need to feed themselves and their families.

This patch should really be rolled back, in my opinion. That's the crux of his message, even if he doesn't spell it out like that, and I think it's a fair one.

[Roadbeer]

Shock Hazard, on 03 April 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

{lots of pictures]

I'm sorry I just can't seem to hear you over the sound of PGI's cash grab.

While I may not agree with the message of the post.

I found it F'in hilarious.

BURN