103 replies to this topic

[Tennex]

El Death Smurf, on 03 April 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

the variant in question is in the catagory of "unconfirmed models" and rightly so. the only things it brings to the table, as apposed to other highlanders, is dual UAC5 or an ac20. not much of a game changer. not at all a must.
in order to impliment it, it would either have 3 retticles (not going to happen.ever.) or locked left arms as well, wich is a pitty, since it would effectivly waste both the hand (already a waste currently) and lower arm actuator that is in the left arm. i rather like having missles in a more articulated hand so that i can maintain a lock easier.

th only thing that makes the YLW viable is its empty left arm. not the case with the Highlander.

its already been proven that HGN-733C will be implemented. from datamine.

the issue now is how it will be implemented.

Edited by Tennex, 03 April 2013 - 01:48 PM.

[El Death Smurf]

Tennex, on 03 April 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

its already been proven that HGN-733C will be implemented. from datamine.

the issue now is how it will be implemented.

what is datamine? and this proof?

[Khavi Vetali]

borisof007, on 03 April 2013 - 01:14 PM, said:

I take the devs response in the ATD #27 that those are the available variants, not necessarily the ones they'll use.

You'll see next patch. It could be taken either way, but the question is in response to an earlier statement Bryan made announcing just the HGN-732 variant. Also, there are eight total Highlander variants, not counting hero variants, so I counterpoint with Bryan specifically only naming four. I bet you a gauss round to the cockpit those will be the four we get.

[Tennex]

El Death Smurf, on 03 April 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

what is datamine? and this proof?

Adridos, on 03 April 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:

It was scratched, because we told them the art is wrong and that Dragon always had a lower arm acutator, only that ****** art didn't represent it right.



Here's your proof:




Straight out of gamefiles.

if thats not an AC20 in its arms i'm not sure what it is. or you could have checked the front page for the proof.

Edited by Tennex, 03 April 2013 - 01:56 PM.

[Vahnn]

Honestly, I don't think 3 reticles moving in the way OP described would be very difficult to implement, nor very difficult to control. SHIFT for Arm Lock when you need to alpha, otherwise just fire the weapons independently. I would LOVE this idea. Love it to death, I tell ya.

Then again I'm one of those players who has always bound his weapons based on their location, so I can fire around corners/teammates, over obstacles, etc. without building excess heat, wasting ammo, or damaging teammates.

[OneEyed Jack]

Trauglodyte, on 03 April 2013 - 12:44 PM, said:

That picture is really the Dragon straightening out its arm and not really a Mech designed without the lower arm actuator.

This is the thing we can't do that frustrates me the most. What I wouldn't give to be able to raise the arms and fire from shoulder level.

[Tennex]

Vahnn, on 03 April 2013 - 01:59 PM, said:

Honestly, I don't think 3 reticles moving in the way OP described would be very difficult to implement, nor very difficult to control. SHIFT for Arm Lock when you need to alpha, otherwise just fire the weapons independently. I would LOVE this idea. Love it to death, I tell ya.

Then again I'm one of those players who has always bound his weapons based on their location, so I can fire around corners/teammates, over obstacles, etc. without building excess heat, wasting ammo, or damaging teammates.

same here its not that hard to group your weapons depending on where they should go. saves ammo/heat

[El Death Smurf]

Tennex, on 03 April 2013 - 01:55 PM, said:

if thats not an AC20 in its arms i'm not sure what it is. or you could have checked the front page for the proof.

i read it all. the word "proof" means so very little on the internet.
1)that could be the ac10 variant
2) the poster also posted a 7ppc lrm20 lrm 10 variant (no such highlander exists) so i figured it was a simple joke made by a guy who has some skills with engineering tools

Edited by El Death Smurf, 03 April 2013 - 02:08 PM.

[SgtMagor]

Tennex, on 03 April 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

i love you



i don't believe the dragon has its arm stretched. out the original design was this.

thats the Dragon I wanted!

[Tennex]

El Death Smurf, on 03 April 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

i read it all. the word "proof" means so very little on the internet.
1)that could be the ac10 variant
2) the poster also posted a 7ppc lrm20 lrm 10 variant (no such highlander exists) so i figured it was a simple joke made by a guy who has some skills with engineering tools

i'm not sure why you want so hard for us not to get this variant lol

[Victor Morson]

If you think they're going to code 3 reticules for a couple variants, you're probably crazy. That'd be interface coding hell for such a little payoff that only a few people would even appreciate (most people would just be confused, I assure you) that it's just plain silly.

$10 says they add an extra actuator and call it a day.

[GizmoGecko]

More secret Highlander pictures please !

PS. Pretty please!

Edited by GizmoGecko, 03 April 2013 - 02:25 PM.

[El Death Smurf]

Victor Morson, on 03 April 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

If you think they're going to code 3 reticules for a couple variants, you're probably crazy. That'd be interface coding hell for such a little payoff that only a few people would even appreciate (most people would just be confused, I assure you) that it's just plain silly.

$10 says they add an extra actuator and call it a day.

i take that bet, ill pm you my paypal account (adding an actuator would make it back into the 733 model)

but seriously, it's not that i dont want the c variant, im just skeptical about it's implimentation and necessity. all's you get is a 10ton lighter atlas that can have an ac20 AND an XL engine. not that it needs either.

to be clear. for thsi avriant to exist 1 of 2 things will happen.
1) left arm loeses its lower arm actuator function (horizontal movemt)
2) right arm loese its upper arm actuator function (vertical movement) making it tied to the torso completely

eaither way the C variant would be nerfed for the use of either an AC20 or 2 UAC5s. and that's all it would stand to gain.

the 732, 732b, 733, and 733P are enough for me. oh and the hero

Edited by El Death Smurf, 03 April 2013 - 02:30 PM.

[Trauglodyte]

Tennex, on 03 April 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

i don't believe the dragon has its arm stretched. out the original design was this.

I'm talking about the original 3025 TRO art work. The mech was always designed with a lower arm actuator and it is on the sheets. Its just that the person who did the original art work either didn't know it or drew the art with the idea that it arm was straightened (which, btw, if we have actuators why can't we straighten our mechs' arms?). Alex just based his artwork on what the TRO had for art and any other pic that was out there. As it was said, I'm so thankful that we have an actuator in there cause it looks so much better now.

Edited by Trauglodyte, 03 April 2013 - 02:54 PM.

[AlexEss]

in my mind it is very simple

the missile arm will loose a actuator for the sake of playability.

That is my bet any way.

[Tennex]

maybe we will never see the victor. its a shame cuz its such an iconic mech

[borisof007]

Khavi Vetali, on 03 April 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

You'll see next patch. It could be taken either way, but the question is in response to an earlier statement Bryan made announcing just the HGN-732 variant. Also, there are eight total Highlander variants, not counting hero variants, so I counterpoint with Bryan specifically only naming four. I bet you a gauss round to the cockpit those will be the four we get.

Touche

[taneru]

Adridos, on 03 April 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

No, a mad engineer...

Spoiler

Hepta PPC, LRM 30 Highlander that flies and can cloak... Where's your god now?

I was bored. I statted your monster as best I could.

Spoiler

Highlander "Adridos"

Mass: 90 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 11,073,580 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,320

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 270 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 90 meters
Armor: Unknown Stealth Armor
Armament:
1 MRM-30
7 Light PPCs
1 Guardian ECM Suite
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard 138 points 9.00
Engine: Fusion Engine 270 14.50
Walking MP: 3
Running MP: 5
Jumping MP: 3 Standard
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT 6.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 3.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA
Gyro: Standard 3.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor: Stealth Armor AV - 272 17.00
Armor Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA, 2 LL, 2 RL

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 29 44
Center Torso (rear) 11
L/R Torso 19 27
L/R Torso (rear) 10
L/R Arm 15 29
L/R Leg 19 38

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MRM-30 RT 10 5 10.00
3 Light PPCs LT 15 6 9.00
2 Light PPCs RA 10 4 6.00
Guardian ECM Suite RA 0 2 1.50
2 Light PPCs LA 10 4 6.00
@MRM-30 (8) CT - 1 1.00
@MRM-30 (8) RT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 1

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 9 Points: 23
3j 3 3 2 0 4 1 Structure: 7
Special Abilities: ECM, STL, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

[Tie Ma]

i hope they implement it. they will have to cross this bridge at some point with the victor.

[KinLuu]

Tennex, on 03 April 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

its already been proven that HGN-733C will be implemented. from datamine.

the issue now is how it will be implemented.

Or when it will be implemented. It would not be the first time a more complicated variant does not get released with the other variants. (e.g. Centurion)