29 replies to this topic

[FarEYE]

Good players are getting bored with this game. So there has been less ECM in my limited experience, but then I have been playing less lately.

[Noobzorz]

Doubt that. I think there is less ECM in the same way there are less Jagermechs then when it was released. Because everyone wants to try out the new toy.

[Vrekgar]

Combine nerfs with the weapons it affects, with the fact that lasers are so much more effective against those than mount it now.

Your going to see less because theres less need for its effects.

[Xie Belvoule]

Do you carry an umbrella when it's not raining. Then why do we need to bring ECM anymore now that LRMs are so weak.

[Noobzorz]

Xie Belvoule, on 03 April 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Do you carry an umbrella when it's not raining. Then why do we need to bring ECM anymore now that LRMs are so weak.

ECM owns without it and was no damn good at stopping tagLRMboats from oneshotting you anyway, so I don't think that's it either.

Besides, I still notice a ton of ECM in games. I just don't desperately cling to ECM mechs like my life depended on it anymore, because (thankfully) it doesn't.

[Lorcan Lladd]

Ton for ton and critical slot for critical slot, a single Medium Laser trumps ECM or even a SSRM2 since the missile nerf hotfix...
At least in my humble opinion.

[wwiiogre]

No there is less ecm because missiles are nerfed which in my opinion has given PGI a bad stream of data to base a decision on. Since the missile nerf patch you see less ecm cause it is needed less.

Oh well, what you gonna do?

Chris

[Ozric]

I've switched primary mech from my trusty, but struggling, LRM C1-F to my direct fire D-DC, so I deny your observation!

(but I have over 100k xp on it and still no speed tweak. I really should just bite the bullet and buy a couple more atlas, but then I would affirm your observation...)

[XX Sulla XX]

There is a lot less ECM in games. A large part of it is because of missles. Matter of fact there is so few ECM mechs in games I think that goes a long way to show it does not need nerfed. Although I wish they had it setup more like Mechwarrior 4. Where you could turn off and on radar. That way you have an a trade off with it on or off. And you have the stategy of when to toggle it on and off etc.

[Roadbeer]

Or maybe the perspective has changed and the necesity/fear of it has lessened.

I honestly don't see what the big deal is about it, but that's from my point of view. I'm almost always dropping in a group, whether it be 4 man or 8 man. Many times in the smaller groups, we don't even discuss bringing ECM because it's a non-factor to us.

Radar flicks
"We got ECM in the backfield"
"You got it?"
"Yeah"

And that's the last I worry about ECM unless I hear "He got me" then it becomes my problem. Which doesn't happen often.

So I honestly don't get what the BFD is about it.

Oh, and before anyone asks, my KDR and W/L are just fine, thanks.

[INSEkT L0GIC]

Having larger maps where your teams are no longer all bunched together under ECM umbrellas also plays into this.

[Roughneck45]

How much ECM is out there is directly related to LRM effectivness.

LRM's suck right now, so no need for ECM. The hit detection upgrades also mean less people are playing fast mechs, so less ECM there too.

[Roadbeer]

Roughneck45, on 03 April 2013 - 02:48 PM, said:

How much ECM is out there is directly related to LRM effectivness.

LRM's suck right now, so no need for ECM. The hit detection upgrades also mean less people are playing fast mechs, so less ECM there too.

THIS.

Even without LRM status, the fact that you can actually HIT a light moving at full speed has put them in their place.

[Tennex]

i just want to see a 3L without ECM. thats when we know ECM is balanced.

[TehSBGX]

I still see ECM Alot. Maybe I'm doing something wrong o.0

[Sears]

I saw a lot less ECM after the state rewind and PPC EMP effect, the latter making the bigger ECM mechs not so invisible. While being able to hit Ravens a big help. They're starting to bounce back a bit though. Be interesting when ballistic rewind comes in, as I am sure PPCs will fall under the rewind. So in theory more PPCs will be hitting ravens knocking out the ECM making it less popular.

[Royalewithcheese]

I agree that HSR seems like it's gone a long way towards making ECM lights less of a problem. Can't wait for HSR II - screw countering ECM with PPC or TAG, I'm looking forward to countering it with AC40

[Jungle Rhino]

There is still plenty of ecm about just that no treb or jags can carry it which is why it dropped off for a bit combined with the giant lrm nerf which pgi seems to think had nothing to do with it.

It really does alarm me just how much they are in denial over this issue. Too many ego's at stake now for them to climb down.

[TexAce]

I like how most in this thread are having the opinion that ECM is less OP now than it was before and we are on a good way

BUT

if you watch at the new pinned topic about ECM changes everyone there is crying like a little girl that the nerfs are not enough.

??

Could everyone here please go over to the other thread and show the devs that this community does not only consist of "OMGOPNERFF" apes?

Edited by TexAss, 03 April 2013 - 03:05 PM.

[AlexEss]

wwiiogre, on 03 April 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

No there is less ecm because missiles are nerfed which in my opinion has given PGI a bad stream of data to base a decision on. Since the missile nerf patch you see less ecm cause it is needed less.

Oh well, what you gonna do?

Chris

One would think they have been tracking data for ECm since.. oh i don't know it was implemented... I do not think the data is the problem.

Anywayt back to the topic at hand.

I'd say it is primarily down to the raven fix and state rewind on lasers making life a lot more difficult.

Edit: Already did Tex.. and then i got yelled at by Vassago for being a chump... =P

Edited by AlexEss, 03 April 2013 - 03:06 PM.