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[GODzillaGSPB]

Some of the mechs with bigger legs have this storage-like texture (the plate with an x-shape) on it and I always feel like this is meant for ammunition.

[Vassago Rain]

It is a series of tubes.

[Dr Killinger]

LT Kinslayer, on 04 April 2013 - 06:22 AM, said:

I'm confused...

-It is possible
-There is space
-I need to store the ammo somewhere
-people like to shoot the torso

Why should I not do it again?

Pretty much this. If you don't like it, start legging people. Particularly Jagers and Cats- it's hilarious.

[Maliconus]

I am going to waste 4 slots on a Mech because you think ammo in the legs makes no sense ..........All i have to say is .....

!00 ton Stomppy Robots packing fusion reactors, PPc's, Gauss weapons, ect.....and the ammo part makes no sense to you???

[armyof1]

If you really want this game to make sense according to real world physics, there is a way.

Uninstall.

[Devillin]

hashinshin, on 04 April 2013 - 06:06 AM, said:

and the second ammo has to be stored in places it can actually blow up suddenly ACs are dropped from every build.

Shucks. I stopped carrying Ultra ACs in my Atlases because they were always the first thing to get blown up. 30 seconds into a fight and boom,there go the Ultras. Then I'm running around for the rest of the battle with 1.5 tons of unused ammo. It took me two battles to realize that Guass rifles were worthless in Atlases since the first time they get touched, they take out your arms also.

[Menetius]

While we're at it, how about we list every plot-hole in the game? Several have already been mentioned.

But perhaps the most important point of all that has been previously established is the fact that this is a game based on a universe of science fiction. Fiction. FICTION.

Has this concept registered now?

I don't see anyone b*tching about, for example, the concept of a zero-mass element existing in Mass Effect, likely because the community understands that the material around which the entire space-travel mechanic revolves is an imaginary concept that need not apply the proper laws of conservation of mass and energy.

TL;DR: The game is future-fantasy, and breaks a ton of physics rules, let alone the ammo-in-leg issue. Hush.

Edited by Menetius, 04 April 2013 - 07:20 AM.

[N0ni]

Maliconus, on 04 April 2013 - 07:16 AM, said:

!00 100 ton Stompy Robots packing fusion reactors, PPC's, Gauss weapons, ect.....and the ammo part makes no sense to you???

One does not simply make sense of the ammunition, we must divide it by 0 and start from there.

[Terror Teddy]

-BAP
-Command Console
-ECM
-Beer (chilled when standing in water)

[Zen Hachetaki]

Agree with many posters - this is a game. As such - it attempted to balance itself as much as possible in the name of maintaining diversity (of mechs etc). If we really want to get into "science" then why can we move endo crits and FF crits anywhere? Shouldn't they be balanced distribution all over? There are many, many, many scientific errors we can find - let's not ruin it?

I do agree with impeding movement from water and slopes - I would also agree with increasing speed past maximum if going downhill...

The 2 space rule was from later rule sources, maybe maximum tech or when they developed the tech level rules 1, 2, & 3? It was not a house rule as I recall something about it too. Perhaps a tournament set of rules?

Last bit of BT "canon rules" to consider... As mentioned water does bad things to mechs - I recall that when one had an exposed section (i.e. down to internals) if it got submerged in water it was automatically destroyed/shut down. Anytime one had damage to a section (but it still had armor) we had to roll when in water (ie - the section submerged) to see if the integrity seal was broken or not or it could be destroyed. I know this was not a standard rules level but it did exist in some form somewhere.

[NKAc Street]

Dont care. I have ammo in the legs of some of my mechs. Lol....B F D. Lmao.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Squid von Torgar, on 04 April 2013 - 06:03 AM, said:

Two words - "Ammo" and "Legs".

Currently and AFAIK there are no plans to change this, and we are free to store ammo and have it magically (Or perhaps its via Osmosis?) travel up the mech through into weapons mounted on the upper body.

Nah, it's the ghost of Kerensky. My story and I'm sticking to it.

[Wildstreak]

Squid von Torgar, on 04 April 2013 - 06:03 AM, said:

Legs are for HS even the greenest Tech knows that.

Actually, Legs should also be considered for Hardpoints, some Mechs have had weapons in the legs including those that look like they have hip mounted weapons. When they design Hardpoints, they should consider adding 1 to a Leg or two, it is not like you can pack an AC/20 in a Leg.

[mekabuser]

Squid von Torgar, on 04 April 2013 - 06:03 AM, said:

Mechs should also be slowed down by it. That and steep slopes. Whilst we are here they should fall over, but ill settle for being slowed by terrain (aquatic or otherwise) until they do.

not only should they fall over... but... a mechs position and direction on a slope should have its corresponding impact upon a collision and or dfa between two mechs..

Iow. a 40 ton JJ mech slamming into the upper half of an atlas that is traveling upslope will almost certainly be knocked over by flying 40 ton mech coming from upslope

if we get collisions anything like what we had before, or worse yet, exactly what we had before without the weird warping issues then we know the devs really................... arent serious about this game.

It would be the equivalent of having a one dimensional drafting model for a racing game,.Pointless

[N0ni]

Merchant, on 04 April 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

it is not like you can pack an AC/20 in a Leg.

Oh i wish...

[OneEyed Jack]

Death Mallet, on 04 April 2013 - 07:11 AM, said:

Try fitting 1,000 - 2,000 rounds of guided missiles ANYWHERE in an upright walker. . . along with a magical feed system that reloads multiple 15 or 20 pack launchers in seconds.

Really? Am I the only one here that's ever seen the movie Ultraviolet?

For the record, I support the movement penalties for water and even a chance to fall down if moving too fast (once knockdowns are reinstated), but I suppose that second part is probably a pie in the sky.

[jay35]

We already have a leg ammo thread here: http://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/110351-how-is-ammo-in-the-legs-even-possible-why-is-it-allowed/

How such an insignifcant topic can generate two threads is unclear.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

I like it when Lights put ammo in their legs. You guys keep on doing that. I love it.

[Squid von Torgar]

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if we get collisions anything like what we had before, or worse yet, exactly what we had before without the weird warping issues then we know the devs really................... arent serious about this game.

And thats really what this thread is about. I use (as stated in the thread title) Ammo in my legs, but I recently played a mech game where this wasnt allowed and it was better for it.

As for the movement thing, its a massive issue. At the moment my mech feels like its floating above the terrain rather than traversing it. Even the most basic games factor in terrain. Collisions is another part. They were removed due to the odd warping, but there is no mention of their return. Again this has a massive impact on piloting lighter mechs (and ever since its removal, I find piloting light mechs boring).

At the end of the day its about immersion. I want to feel that I am piloting a huge war-robot from space and not playing COD with a nod to scaled maps and some screen shake effects. PGI you can do better, surely it isnt that hard?

And whilst your about it, let me knock over some trees and squash some cars?

[HammerForge]

Really, I mean I put the gas in the back of my car, and the engine is in the front....IT'S MAGIC!!!!!

Think about it, just cause they aren't stored together, doesn't mean it's impossible. May be impractical, but so are big stompy war robots, so not much of a valid argument in this game.

As for slowing in water, if you listen to NGNG podcast, you would know they are looking into this, along with slowing on hilly terrain, heck it is probably in their sandbox test environment and working through issues on the way to our beta environment.