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[MeiSooHaityu]

HammerForge, on 04 April 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

Really, I mean I put the gas in the back of my car, and the engine is in the front....IT'S MAGIC!!!!!

Well....Moving a LIQUID through a combination of solid and flexible hoses Vs. solid large amunition through a leg or knee joint is completely two different things. LOL

I would trust what you said though if we were talking about hydraulic fluid.

Doesn't really matter anyway. It's a game.

[jay35]

HammerForge, on 04 April 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

As for slowing in water, if you listen to NGNG podcast, you would know they are looking into this, along with slowing on hilly terrain, heck it is probably in their sandbox test environment and working through issues on the way to our beta environment.

I hope they fix first the issues the Assault mech models have getting stopped by tiny walls that a Light mech can walk over without issue.

[TruePoindexter]

Squid von Torgar, on 04 April 2013 - 06:03 AM, said:

Two words - "Ammo" and "Legs".

In case (no pun intended) that is not enough to go on, what I am specifically referring to is the practice of storing ammo in the legs.

Currently and AFAIK there are no plans to change this, and we are free to store ammo and have it magically (Or perhaps its via Osmosis?) travel up the mech through into weapons mounted on the upper body.

Storing ammo in the legs is a pretty good idea build wise. Mostly people aim for the centre mass (or a specific location on the upper body) and having all those missiles and shells down in your ankles keeps those pesky ammo explosions at bay. Further those two slots at the bottom of the each leg can only fit SHS, so why not through some HE munitions down there instead and use the upper body slots for weaps?

But lets face it, even in a game that is famous for some dodgy science (Battletech, not MWO only) It just doesn't make sense. Legs are for HS even the greenest Tech knows that.

From a gameplay point of view this also means that having ammo stored in the upper body balances out things like LRMs and Ballistics further. Sure you can take tons of ammo, but make sure you have the space and that you are convinced it wont cook off when you are shot at. In short it would make ammo explosions more common.

The second thing I would like to mention to you today is water.

We drink it, bathe in it, hell 80% of our very selves is made up of it. And as familiar stuff we know that its quite dense, and running though it slows you down.

If you don't believe me try it yourself and try "running" through the shallow end of your local swimming pool or on the beach.

Mechs should also be slowed down by it. That and steep slopes. Whilst we are here they should fall over, but ill settle for being slowed by terrain (aquatic or otherwise) until they do.

Unfortunately as has been pointed out - even lore does this. Plus IS DHS will not fit in legs so either way it's a moot point.

[HammerForge]

MeiSooHaityu, on 04 April 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:

Well....Moving a LIQUID through a combination of solid and flexible hoses Vs. solid large amunition through a leg or knee joint is completely two different things. LOL

I would trust what you said though if we were talking about hydraulic fluid.

Doesn't really matter anyway. It's a game.

Right, but we also know that an Apache Helicopter doesn't store it's ammo near the machine gun that uses it, and WW2 Battleships kept the shells and powder for the big guns some distance from the guns that shot them, so 1000 years from now, what advances in moving ammo around will their be?

In the end though, we are on the same side, tis a game, doesn't matter, have fun.

[Belorion]

Start legging people that have missiles or ballistics...

Problem solved.

[MaddMaxx]

Royalewithcheese, on 04 April 2013 - 06:26 AM, said:

What else are you supposed to put in there?

Apparently, 2 Single Heat sinks. LOL

[Lorcan Lladd]

MaddMaxx, on 04 April 2013 - 10:26 AM, said:

Apparently, 2 Single Heat sinks. LOL

Or Guardian ECM and Beagle Active Probe, one in each leg.
That is, as long as this build strategy isn't considered too exploitative.

[Cifrer]

Have you considered the size of the ammo we use? I mean, LRMs are 11 pounds. UAC/5 ammo is 80 pounds. Really our ammo isn't all that big unless you're talking about AC/20s and even then it's not huge.

Your average 155mm(6.1in) artillery shell today weighs about 100 pounds. They're also not that long. That's a round that's 6 inches around and about 2 feet long. You don't believe something that weighs 20-100 tons has any space in it to move ammo around? Other than the big guns, we use fairly small ammo...

[TruePoindexter]

Lorcan Lladd, on 04 April 2013 - 10:38 AM, said:

Or Guardian ECM and Beagle Active Probe, one in each leg.
That is, as long as this build strategy isn't considered too exploitative.

Well how is your BAP/ECM going to work in your foot - clearly they must be face mounted.

[DrSecretStache]

You really want a logical argument? Alrighty then:

-bullets AND missiles are made of brass.
-The ammo delivery system is oiled, just as a piston engine is
oh yah, and
-mechs with ballistic or missile hardpoints are specifically made with pre-existing ammo tubes. All over the mech.

There. Logic gap filled. Continue gaming.

[Phoenix Gray]

LT Kinslayer, on 04 April 2013 - 06:22 AM, said:

I'm confused...

-It is possible
-There is space
-I need to store the ammo somewhere
-people like to shoot the torso

Why should I not do it again?

i liked the original Wolverine; it actually walked around with ammo in a freaking suitcase it carried in the off-arm.

[Soy]

Squid von Torgar, on 04 April 2013 - 06:03 AM, said:

Two words - "Ammo" and "Legs".

In case (no pun intended) that is not enough to go on, what I am specifically referring to is the practice of storing ammo in the legs.

Currently and AFAIK there are no plans to change this, and we are free to store ammo and have it magically (Or perhaps its via Osmosis?) travel up the mech through into weapons mounted on the upper body.

Storing ammo in the legs is a pretty good idea build wise. Mostly people aim for the centre mass (or a specific location on the upper body) and having all those missiles and shells down in your ankles keeps those pesky ammo explosions at bay. Further those two slots at the bottom of the each leg can only fit SHS, so why not through some HE munitions down there instead and use the upper body slots for weaps?

But lets face it, even in a game that is famous for some dodgy science (Battletech, not MWO only) It just doesn't make sense. Legs are for HS even the greenest Tech knows that.

From a gameplay point of view this also means that having ammo stored in the upper body balances out things like LRMs and Ballistics further. Sure you can take tons of ammo, but make sure you have the space and that you are convinced it wont cook off when you are shot at. In short it would make ammo explosions more common.

The second thing I would like to mention to you today is water.

We drink it, bathe in it, hell 80% of our very selves is made up of it. And as familiar stuff we know that its quite dense, and running though it slows you down.

If you don't believe me try it yourself and try "running" through the shallow end of your local swimming pool or on the beach.

Mechs should also be slowed down by it. That and steep slopes. Whilst we are here they should fall over, but ill settle for being slowed by terrain (aquatic or otherwise) until they do.

Hmm...

[MadSavage]

hashinshin, on 04 April 2013 - 06:06 AM, said:

and the second ammo has to be stored in places it can actually blow up suddenly ACs are dropped from every build.

*sigh*

use case....................................

[Noosemane]

Make CASE offer better protection against ammo explosions, buff the AC 2, 5, 10 and machine gun, disallow storage of ammo in legs.

I would be okay with these changes.

[Corvus Antaka]

ammo explosiosn from legs are not a pretty sight. upping the chance of them might not be a bad idea though.

[Cubivorre]

I literally saw this thread made by someone else about 3 or 4 hours ago..

[Kristov Kerensky]

As already pointed out, the canon does have more then a few Mechs that put ammo in the legs. The lore also states that more then a few of the weapon systems had ammo loading issues causing the designers to switch from a Defiant Industries AC to a Ceres Arms AC or something similiar. It's been covered already by the lore obviously and there's some really nice schematics from some of the TROs showing the ammo feed systems, some of which traverse multiple sections of a Mech.

Oddly enough, even in the early 1900s we had ammo feed systems that worked just fine covering distances of more then a few inches for rounds much larger then the ones used in BTech, so why is it so hard for some people to think this would be impossible 1000 years from now?

Edited by Kristov Kerensky, 04 April 2013 - 12:22 PM.

[sC4r]

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I Do It, You Do It, And You Know We Really Shouldnt

Two words - "Ammo" and "Legs".

yes you shouldnt put ammo in legs especially if you lowered armor out there (lrm stalkers go boom from legging them)

[Belorion]

Case already is better protection. If you have ammo go off in your leg, its much worse than if in a side torso with case.

[Ralgas]

when clan dhs drop it will be a different story, being able to sit them in water for a boost on several maps will make mounting it elsewhere with case a lot more attractive