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[Vassago Rain]

bronsteijn, on 08 April 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

Don't you dare spit on mgs, how can you say no to that lovely sound. They might suck balls alone, but saved my nipples a few times while all my weapon were on cool down.

This never happened. 8 months here. It's an urban myth, and PGI are actively buying into it.

[Tickdoff Tank]

I would like to see more people "bite the bullet" and mount some MGs for an evening or two. Run some fights with them, post your results. Especially if you have not used them before, or not used them recently. The more people that we can get to post their findings the more likely it is that we can effect a change.

[Tennex]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 April 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

Damage is a joke.

I can say I had a 6 MG Jagermech (w 4 large lasers) core me in seconds flat. The lasers stripped my torso armor on my Jager, and before they cycled again his mgs critted my XL and ammo.

So, in the perfect storm where you have spare tonnage and hardpoints to wait till you can get point blank on a naked mech, it seeks they are WAI.

If you actually want them to be anything other than a gimmick that maybe 1 match in 20 do anything useful, well, just SOL.

Personally, I would rather they drop all this cutesy peripheral BS and just function on damage. Screw EMP PPCs, Crit Seeking MGs and LBx, and such. I'd rather they were just USEFUL.

u can't crit engines right now

[FrostCollar]

I haven't used MGs much since stats got put in, since using them seems so self-defeating, but I've got some stats to post:

11.33 damage per match.

[Team Leader]

MACHINE GUN
matches: 7
fired: 15,961
hit: 7,481
hit %: 46.87%
time equip: 00:35:01
damage: 313

Only 7 matches because I stopped equipping them before they added the stats, except for a few hundred XP where I had to grind out the spider on the Double XP weekend

Edited by Team Leader, 08 April 2013 - 04:16 PM.

[Tickdoff Tank]

bronsteijn, on 08 April 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

Don't you dare spit on mgs, how can you say no to that lovely sound. They might suck balls alone, but saved my nipples a few times while all my weapon were on cool down.

Best MG damage per match yet, 44.63 per match. Well done. But 44 damage per match is still sad for a weapon.

[stjobe]

Team Leader, on 08 April 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

MACHINE GUN 7 15,961 7,481 46.87% 00:35:01 313

Hey, not bad. 44.71 damage per match, and an effective DPS of 0.19.

Edited by stjobe, 08 April 2013 - 04:16 PM.

[Xelah]

Weapon Matches Fired Hit Accuracy Time Equip. Damage
MACHINE GUN 74 70,828 32,300 45.60% 05:24:14 1,229

[General Taskeen]

stjobe, on 08 April 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

Hey, not bad. 44.71 damage per match, and an effective DPS of 0.19.

Now everyone do the equivalent tests of using 2 or 4 Small Lasers for several matches.

[FupDup]

Matches: 54
Shots fired: 34,298
Shots hit: 17,815 (I blame the slow-a$$ projectile speed)
Accuracy: 51.94%
Time equipped: 04:42:08
Damage: 738

[Tickdoff Tank]

Even with our fellows doing 44 damage in a match (which is impressive with MGs), triple the MG damage and you are still at 132, not exactly earth shattering.

[Team Leader]

General Taskeen, on 08 April 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

Now everyone do the equivalent tests of using 2 or 4 Small Lasers for several matches.

SMALL LASER
3
44
31 7
0.45%
00:13:52
59
20 damage a match but I've rarely been using them too

Edited by Team Leader, 08 April 2013 - 04:21 PM.

[Urdnot Mau]

The MG simply isn't a weapon meant for damage output. Like the flamer. Just as light mechs are not meant for damage output and assaults are not meant for scouting and sneak caps.

[FupDup]

Urdnot Mau, on 08 April 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

The MG simply isn't a weapon meant for damage output.

[Tickdoff Tank]

General Taskeen, on 08 April 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

Now everyone do the equivalent tests of using 2 or 4 Small Lasers for several matches.

Ok, with small lasers I have:

27 games played. 1731 fired. 1101 hit. 63.6% hit rate. 1833 damage. 67.88 damage per game.

Contrast to my MG stats (posted on page 1)

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24 games with MGs. 34,663 fired. 15,686 hit. 45.25% hit rate. 607 total damage.

25.291 per match. Which is 0.0387 per round fired.

Edited by Tickdoff Tank, 08 April 2013 - 04:23 PM.

[stjobe]

Urdnot Mau, on 08 April 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

The MG simply isn't a weapon meant for damage output.

It isn't in MWO, but that's just because the MWO devs made them that way. In every other BattleTech incarnation, be it table-top or computer game, the MG is just a regular damage dealer. Sure, it's fairly low damage (on par with an AC/2 or a single SRM, or 2/3rds of a Small Laser), and it's really short-ranged, but it's a regular damage dealer like any other weapon.

The only reason the MGs suck in MWO is because that's what the MWO devs have decided they should do. There's no precedence in canon for it, no precedence in apocryphal sources like the previous Mechwarrior games, no precedence what so ever.

It's PGI's idea that they should suck, and it is a BAD idea.

Edited by stjobe, 08 April 2013 - 04:26 PM.

[Tekadept]

Oh the fun times.. they dont do much but they do sound cool.


Weapon_______matches____Fired____Hit____Percent____time used____Damage
MACHINE GUN_____8_______4232____2091____49.41%____01:14:25______66

[Urdnot Mau]

stjobe, on 08 April 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

It isn't in MWO, but that's just because the MWO devs made them that way. In every other BattleTech incarnation, be it table-top or computer game, the MG is just a regular damage dealer. Sure, it's fairly low damage (on par with an AC/2 or a single SRM, or 2/3rds of a Small Laser), and it's really short-ranged, but it's a regular damage dealer like any other weapon.

The only reason the MGs suck in MWO is because that's what the MWO devs have decided they should do. There's no precedence in canon for it, no precedence in apocryphal sources like the previous Mechwarrior games, no precedence what so ever.

It's PGI's idea that they should suck, and it is a BAD idea.

I don't know about previus MW games. Following your line of thought i agree with you. Maybe they will add some other weapon later.
I'm not saying that i agree with them. I'd like to see more viable light/CDA builds.

Edited by Urdnot Mau, 08 April 2013 - 04:35 PM.

[Krzysztof z Bagien]

Damage per match: 5.23
Effective DPS: 0.23
Accurate DPS: 0.37
Accuracy: 63.37%


Note: I had MGs in one group with medium lasers for convenience, so when I fired ML at target over 200m away MG shots were wasted, resulting in poor accuracy.



Damage per match: 29
Effective DPS: 0.51
Accurate DPS: 0.71
Accuracy: 71.52%

Edited by Krzysztof z Bagien, 08 April 2013 - 04:49 PM.

[Hedonism Robot]

MACHINE GUN 49 70,232 34,957 49.77% 03:54:55
1,340

that was leveling up my spider so 4 machine guns 1340/49 /4 machine guns = 6.7 dmg on average a match for each machine gun.

compare that to small laser:

SMALL LASER 55 1,308 1,021 78.06% 04:26:15
1,881

1881 / 55 / 2 (I only used them in 2's for another build leveling up) = 17.8 dmg on average per match. This is for a weapon with very low hps and only .5 tons.

Edited by Hedonism Robot, 08 April 2013 - 04:36 PM.