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[Brasticus]

Had some on my Jager when leveling it up. I did go the 6 mg route on it. Fired only (mostly) when I saw no armor on a location and did score some kills with them.



Damage per Match : 6.77
Damage per Second: 0.26

[Tickdoff Tank]

Brasticus, on 08 April 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

Had some on my Jager when leveling it up. I did go the 6 mg route on it. Fired only (mostly) when I saw no armor on a location and did score some kills with them.



Damage per Match : 6.77
Damage per Second: 0.26

Notice that you did not even do enough damage per match to destroy 1 ton of ammo with your MGs. With the crit buff no less.

[101011]

To be perfectly honest, I don't have enough cbills to buy any engine bigger then a 210...so that build is out. I'll throw together my build in smurfy once I finish my matches. New best, by the way: 76 damage. I think I might be getting the hang of it, and I'm not sure whether I should be worried about that.

Edited by 101011, 08 April 2013 - 05:34 PM.

[Brasticus]

Tickdoff Tank, on 08 April 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

Notice that you did not even do enough damage per match to destroy 1 ton of ammo with your MGs. With the crit buff no less.

Right, but damage per match isn't exactly a great statistic. I wasn't just firing them blindly all the time. I was seeking to remove armor with lasers before using the MGs. You don't get much of an opportunity to use them properly if you don't get through the armor first.

[Tickdoff Tank]

Brasticus, on 08 April 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

Right, but damage per match isn't exactly a great statistic. I wasn't just firing them blindly all the time. I was seeking to remove armor with lasers before using the MGs. You don't get much of an opportunity to use them properly if you don't get through the armor first.

EXACTLY!

The MG is the ONLY weapon in MWO which is useless until another (real) weapon does the heavy lifting.

[Brasticus]

Tickdoff Tank, on 08 April 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

EXACTLY!

The MG is the ONLY weapon in MWO which is useless until another (real) weapon does the heavy lifting.

I won't argue with that.

edit: can't means won't, hence the change

Edited by Brasticus, 08 April 2013 - 05:49 PM.

[101011]

Well, actually, I died early in a match, so here's my build:CTF-4X

[Team Leader]

101011, on 08 April 2013 - 05:45 PM, said:

Well, actually, I died early in a match, so here's my build:CTF-4X

LOL! Your team must love you!

[Homeless Bill]

34 matches
97,106 shots fired
35,868 shots hit
36.94% accuracy
03:20:39 time equipped
1,344 damage done
Pitiful.

Edited by Homeless Bill, 08 April 2013 - 05:51 PM.

[Vassago Rain]

Tickdoff Tank, on 08 April 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

EXACTLY!

The MG is the ONLY weapon in MWO which is useless until another (real) weapon does the heavy lifting.

B-b-b-but crit-seeking!
IMMERSHUN!

NOT BEING A LASER!

I got nothing. It's just embarrassing right now. Only the bubblegun from earthworm Jim 2 compares to MWO's machineguns.

[Viper69]

Vassago Rain, on 08 April 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

Why are we in a position where the devs believe the magic voodoo of crit.seeking is real?

I imagine if we ever get through armor criticals, the object of crit seeking may have weight, till then its a worthless concept I think.

[101011]

Team Leader, on 08 April 2013 - 05:49 PM, said:

LOL! Your team must love you!

Yeah....I can't say I'm too popular on the teams. Although I did run into someone else doing the same thing with his 6x mg Jager. The epicness of ten MG's opening fire at the same time was poetic.

[Brasticus]

Someone should put together an 8 man of MG spiders and MG Jagers, FRAPs it and put it on line for posterity.

[Tickdoff Tank]

Vassago Rain, on 08 April 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

B-b-b-but crit-seeking!
IMMERSHUN!

NOT BEING A LASER!

I got nothing. It's just embarrassing right now. Only the bubblegun from earthworm Jim 2 compares to MWO's machineguns.

The fact that Vass and I are agreeing with each other is a terrible sign. It happens very rarely. And when ever it happens I feel like this:



But I hope it can underscore how bad MGs are if Vass and I are in agreement.

[Homeless Bill]

I recorded some footage using the machine gun.

http://www.youtube.c...LBj8IyVN0#t=44s

Okay, maybe I didn't Fraps that, but it's a pretty accurate depiction. The other guy has (and takes) all day to look around for real threats (he knows machine guns are a joke; it must be a trap). Then he wanders away for a bit, searching for what is surely a more useful target. Finally, I run out of ammo, he runs out of other targets, and I burst into flames.

Edited by Homeless Bill, 08 April 2013 - 06:08 PM.

[Walter Soebchak]

Tennex, on 08 April 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

i don't use MGs cuz their craap so...

They're, genius.

[Inyc]

MACHINE GUN 71 26,131 15,092 57.76% 06:10:37 580

So 71 matches with MG equiped, 15092 shots hit, 580 damage. 8,16 damage a match. I run with 4 MG, so that's 2,04 damage per MG per match.
GAUSS RIFLE 43 1,150 757 65.83% 03:50:32 11,592

Ooh... 43 matches, 11592 damage.. 270 damage per game average with Gauss. I run these in twos, so 135 damage per Gauss rifle per match.

But Gauss rifles are 15 tons! I could get 30 Machine guns for each Gauss rifle!... which would be 61,2 damage per match. Or 122,4 damage for a theoretical mech packing 60 machine guns. That's not even equal to one Gauss... I'd need 66 machine guns on a mech to equal it.

Maybe its just because the Gauss rifle is so good! Lets compare it to AC/10s which aren't so good.
AC/10 145 4,874 3,248 66.64% 12:09:02 32,272

Oh... 222 damage per match. I use these in pairs as well, so 111 damage per AC/10 per match. For 3 tons less than the Gauss, that's pretty good. Its actually better damage per ton.

So yea, Machine Guns are pointless crap. They could get a damage buff to 0.1 instead of 0.04 and a range up to 180 (400max) and they'd start being OK, as they'd do at least 1 DPS, so the mech with the most ballistics would only get 6 DPS. Most small mechs get 4 ballistics slots so they'd get 4 DPS, which is what they'd get with 4 Small Lasers (which could also use a base range increase).

[101011]

Okay, total results: 33.3 damage per match. Ouch. A total of .7 critical hits on weapons per game, and .1 kills per game. I'll be continuing this experiment in another thread.

[Tickdoff Tank]

101011, on 08 April 2013 - 06:15 PM, said:

Okay, total results: 33.3 damage per match. Ouch. A total of .7 critical hits on weapons per game, and .1 kills per game. I'll be continuing this experiment in another thread.

33 damage per match is not bad for the craptastic MG.

[Nothing Whatsoever]

Here are my stats for MG's along with Small Lasers, Medium Lasers and AC20 (I included the AC20 because of the insane DPS I calculated, but I'm probabbly off with something there).




So it seems that my DPS is 0.24, with a Damage of 11 per match with MG's.

Small Lasers are at a DPS of 15.62, with a Damage of 57 per match.

Medium have a DPS of 28.27, with a Damage of 112 per match.


What surprised me was when I tried calculating the DPS and Damage per match of my other weapons, can a DPS of 138.13 be right for an AC20? As to the top DPS weapons I've used, my Top 5 are the AC20, Gauss, AC10, PPC and LB 10-X AC, and I only used the LB 10-X in three matches, so Large Pulse Lasers were 6th. Again, I dunno if my math is really off or not, so if I did goof somewhere, let me know. Here's a screenshot of the SpreadSheet: Link