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[Shumabot]

Greyfyl, on 10 April 2013 - 07:15 AM, said:

Of course the polls on here mean nothing to you, it goes against your whole point so how could it possibly be valid? I won't even go into how MW4 was ruined by the combination of 3rd person and poptarting, but I will add this....does this already small community need to be split up into 3rd person and non-3rd person groups? I gaurantee you whether you want to believe it or not, that a huge percentage of the current community will never join a 3rd person queue unless it's the ONLY choice. With 1st person still in the game, 3rd person serves no purpose other than to splinter an already tiny playerbase.

Camera angles don't have inherent "purpose" saying that third person servers no purpose with third person implies the opposite as well, that first person serves no purpose with third person. The camera change presumes a larger population and the developers has admitted that community fragmentation is something that they are wary of.

Again, I'm, going to state this again.

"a huge percentage of the current community will never joint a 3rd person queue"

I'd say the same thing for conquest since you objectively make less cbills per minute, it's less strategic, and appears anecdotally to be less enjoyable. And yet it seems to be pretty full. Stop projecting onto the community, it'll play whatever it's spoon fed. People in this stupid community (and it's pretty dumb) use LBXs, flamers, large pulse lasers, dragons, and buy yen low wangs. "This community" doesn't do things in the perfect framework you want to imagine they do.

Edited by Shumabot, 10 April 2013 - 07:21 AM.

[tenderloving]

Roland, on 10 April 2013 - 07:19 AM, said:

I don't think you can really say it was "ruined", given that thousands of us played in leagues where we had FFP turned on.

A good modifier would be that it was ruined for players without the competence/desire to join a league or search for certain gametypes. I think you would agree it's bad game design to require the player to access 3rd party groups in order to have an enjoyable experience.

Remember that it's 2013 now and there are highly polished and accessible games out there that are adept at guiding players into the gameplay that they will find most engaging. Maybe this game will be one of them, but currently it is not.

Edited by tenderloving, 10 April 2013 - 07:25 AM.

[Greyfyl]

Roland, on 10 April 2013 - 07:19 AM, said:

I don't think you can really say it was "ruined", given that thousands of us played in leagues where we had FFP turned on.

And what were your chances of finding a non-league game with FFP turned on?

Yea, I thought so.

[Belorion]

Greyfyl, on 10 April 2013 - 07:15 AM, said:

Of course the polls on here mean nothing to you, it goes against your whole point so how could it possibly be valid? I won't even go into how MW4 was ruined by the combination of 3rd person and poptarting, but I will add this....does this already small community need to be split up into 3rd person and non-3rd person groups? I gaurantee you whether you want to believe it or not, that a huge percentage of the current community will never join a 3rd person queue unless it's the ONLY choice. With 1st person still in the game, 3rd person serves no purpose other than to splinter an already tiny playerbase.

ok, so checkmark the little option they give you which says... 1st person only.

[Klaus]

Tennex, on 08 April 2013 - 06:35 PM, said:

I don't understand why the devs are so resistant to balance changes.

competitive games like league of legends, starcraft 2 make balance changes almost every patch.

I hope you're kidding. LoL is garbage. Their 'balance' is always in favor of what champion is getting a new skin.

[Shumabot]

tenderloving, on 10 April 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

A good modifier would be that it was ruined for players without the competence/desire to join a league or search for certain gametypes. I think you would agree it's bad game design to require the player to access 3rd party groups in order to have an enjoyable experience.

Remember that it's 2013 now and there are highly polished and accessible games out there that are adept at guiding players into the gameplay that they will find most engaging. Maybe this game will be one of them, but currently it is not.

A tiny minority of MW4 players participated in league multiplayer, and an actual minority meaningfully participated in the multiplayer at all. "Third person camera ruined the game" is stupid.

Klaus, on 10 April 2013 - 07:32 AM, said:

I hope you're kidding. LoL is garbage. Their 'balance' is always in favor of what champion is getting a new skin.

Please site an example, because that was a lie and I'm calling you on it. You are a liar. Stop making crap up pony.

Edited by Shumabot, 10 April 2013 - 07:35 AM.

[Klaus]

Shumabot, on 10 April 2013 - 07:34 AM, said:

Please site an example, because that was a lie and I'm calling you on it. You are a liar. Stop making crap up pony.

Pulsefire Ezreal.

[Boaz Roshak]

Perspective can influence perception, and how seemingly opposing points of view can both be lacking to full picture of reality.

[Ghogiel]

tenderloving, on 10 April 2013 - 06:41 AM, said:

Fixed this for you.

Yeah! Those armchair experts on game balance are the most delusional of the bunch.

[MustrumRidcully]

Ghogiel, on 10 April 2013 - 07:39 AM, said:

Yeah! Those armchair experts on game balance are the most delusional of the bunch.

How do you expect balance decisions be made? During HALO jumps? In racing cars? Inside battle tanks under fire?

They are done on your hopefully comfy and ergonomic chair. Or maybe around a whiteboard. But it all boils down to math you can do in an armchair.

[Ghogiel]

MustrumRidcully, on 10 April 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

How do you expect balance decisions be made? During HALO jumps? In racing cars? Inside battle tanks under fire?

They are done on your hopefully comfy and ergonomic chair. Or maybe around a whiteboard. But it all boils down to math you can do in an armchair.

What if I told you...

The armchair is not a real chair.

It's a figure of speech.

[Shumabot]

Klaus, on 10 April 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

Pulsefire Ezreal.

Season 2 championship win rate of under 40%. Try again pony.

Most recent new skins, Karma and Sejuani, neither is currently a high tier champion and to date no champion mechanical reworks have resulted in top tier power. Next up is trundle who has been underpowered since release. The last two released champions have been under competitive tiering and the last 3 legendaries have been as well.

You're spouting off nonsense because you're unfamiliar with or bad at LoL. Stop making crap up.

Edited by Shumabot, 10 April 2013 - 07:51 AM.

[Belorion]

This community will never agree what is and is not balanced among the various weapons. Take lrms for example. Some people aren't happy unless they are an ineffective weapon that can be ignored. Some aren't happy unless they are op one shot of death devices.

[Shumabot]

Belorion, on 10 April 2013 - 07:50 AM, said:

This community will never agree what is and is not balanced among the various weapons. Take lrms for example. Some people aren't happy unless they are an ineffective weapon that can be ignored. Some aren't happy unless they are op one shot of death devices.

That's because the mechanical implementation of LRMs is horrible and there is no middle ground with the weapon system.

[Klaus]

Shumabot, on 10 April 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

Season 2 championship win rate of under 40%.

Try again pony.

Win rate under 40%,
YET USED EVERY SINGLE GAME CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.

Gets a 30 dollar skin → magically has the highest burst damage of all AD carries.

You're either blind or stupid to not see what a big scam Riot is. I'm not going to list off every champion that got a skin right after they got buffed, or got one and then got nerfed after everyone bought it.

Edited by Klaus, 10 April 2013 - 07:56 AM.

[Deathlike]

Shumabot, on 09 April 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

The fact that he just told you this game has hundreds of thousands of players should indicate that he's either very willing to lie or is just making this stuff up on the spot anyway. You shouldn't expect any sort of reasonable developer side metrics being given to the community. They won't be pretty, and they will just make people mad and demand balance changes that they don't want to spend the time doing sooner.

This is the guy that said dual coolant couldn't cool off two PPCs a few weeks ago.

Proof of Garth reference please.

3 PPCs with max coolant (9x9 and 6) not factoring in Cool Boost (20%) is a dbl "cool shot" cure to 1 alpha. Maybe Math is not Garth's strong suit (let alone the judge of MG balance).

Math for Garth:
Cool Shot 6 + Cool Shot 9x9 = 6 + 18 = 24 pts of coolant.
PPC is 8 heat... 3 PPC = 3 * 8 = 24 pts of heat generated.

MATH IS FUN!

Edited by Deathlike, 10 April 2013 - 08:03 AM.

[John Norad]

Ghogiel, on 10 April 2013 - 07:45 AM, said:

What if I told you...

The armchair is not a real chair.

It's a figure of speech.

Really?

But.

The whole phrase is meaningless and nothing but hot air, assumption and borderline insult, if you don't even know the person you're talking about.

[tenderloving]

Klaus, on 10 April 2013 - 07:55 AM, said:

Win rate under 40%,
YET USED EVERY SINGLE GAME CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.

Gets a 30 dollar skin → magically has the highest burst damage of all AD carries.

You're either blind or stupid to not see what a big scam Riot is. I'm not going to list off every champion that got a skin right after they got buffed, or got one and then got nerfed after everyone bought it.

You aren't going to list them because they don't exist, or they only exist in your mind.

[Roland]

Greyfyl, on 10 April 2013 - 07:30 AM, said:

And what were your chances of finding a non-league game with FFP turned on?

Yea, I thought so.

Uh, pretty high, actually, given that it's how I encountered the folks I eventually played with in leagues.

They were generally listed in the server list as FFP/NR servers. For instance, we ran various incarnations of HRR NR/FFP in the list.. likewise, some folks played in servers with NH/UA for no heat and unlimited ammo.

There were a ton of NR/FFP servers which were being run throughout MW4's lifecycle, and where open for anyone to play on. Hell, you could even filter the server list based on server settings, if I recall.

[Ghogiel]

John Norad, on 10 April 2013 - 08:06 AM, said:

Really?

But.

The whole phrase is meaningless and nothing but hot air, assumption and borderline insult, if you don't even know the person you're talking about.

It is pointless. And an insult. And hot air.

Pretty much the same as all the armchair wannabe game developers.