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#21 Makenzie71

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 12:43 PM

View PostDonas, on 09 April 2013 - 10:13 AM, said:

This thread should be titled - "Let all of my skills transfer from one mech, to the rest of them so I dont have to grind anymore".


GASP! The audacity of me wanting not the same thing as you!

Maybe the title of the thread should be exactly what it is...since what I want isn't to transfer my unlocks to another mech but to keep the one I have. Because I like the one I have, excepting that I want tow more ballistic hard points and fewer energy.

The Jagermech might work for me...but not the way I want. I know the cataphract will not accomodate the configuration I want. How many weapons slots are on the jagermech's arms? Since the 4x ballistic config for the Jager puts all the weapons on the arms, I don't know that there's enough room for the AC2 and Ultra, plus armor slots. On top of that, ALL of my preferred weapons are arm mounted, which is hardly armored to my liking and will promptly be taken away from me in a melee.

Maybe...just maybe...I would like a Catapult with 2x arm mounted ballistic, and 2x torso ballistic, because THAT chassis offers me the versatility that I want. I could ask for the same in another chassis...say a ballistic/energery reverse configuration Cat K2 setup applied to the Jagermech since you're fond of that one...only then you'd be giving me grief because, again, I want my preferred weapons split up and Jagermechs just don't mount ballistics on the Torso (the nerve of even considering it!).

Edited by Makenzie71, 09 April 2013 - 12:44 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 02:10 PM

View PostGarth Erlam, on 09 April 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

The pilots are canon, aren't they? The Mechs themselves are almost always taken from "Steve McMechWarrior's infamous silver Atlas" or something. that's why we have YLW, in particular, as well as the Heavy Metal. A lot of people's famous Mechs are also basically the standard variant but with 'experimental ferro-fibrous armour' or something.

PGI is at 50%. Only the YLW, Death's Knell, Heavy Metal, and Pretty Baby are canon... to a degree. Those four have canon MechWarriors but only the YLW has published stats. It's missing the claw on the left hand and one laser was turned to the front. HM carries the loudspeakers as described in lore and the PB has the agility described in the lore. Death's Knell is not described beyond the name. Stats for the latter three are PGI creations.

Fang, Flame, X-5, and Ilya Muromets are totally new creations for MWO. I've put a post in suggestions a while back, but I'll say it again... I would LOVE to see a bit of lore added to individual BattleMechs page for each of the Hero Mechs. Something to let us know who drives them and why they're so special. (Like what was emailed to us for the Ilya.)

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 03:37 PM

View PostCache, on 09 April 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

Fang, Flame, X-5, and Ilya Muromets are totally new creations for MWO. I've put a post in suggestions a while back, but I'll say it again... I would LOVE to see a bit of lore added to individual BattleMechs page for each of the Hero Mechs. Something to let us know who drives them and why they're so special. (Like what was emailed to us for the Ilya.)

I agree that it would be nice to have that lore stuff on the site somewhere more apparent but for the moment it was at least in those emails - copying here for posterity:


Ilya Muromets:

Pilot: Grigori Kovalenko
Mech: Ilya Muromets CTF-IM Cataphract
Mech Identification Number: CTF2X0042A-1013
Tonnage: 70
Top Speed: 64.8 kph
Armor: 432 points
Weapons: 2 Medium Lasers, 2 AC/5s, 1 AC/10, 1 Small Laser
Hardpoints: 3 Ballistic, 3 Energy, 1 AMS
Jump Jets: n/a

Grigori Kovalenko was born on planet Hassad in the year 2995. His family had lived in Capellan Confederation space for generations, until Hassad was taken by the Free Worlds League in 2917. While he did not embrace his Capellan roots, as he was a Free Worlds citizen, he did respect them and he grew up into a man with a heavy reverence for the concepts of honor and heritage. To that end, he joined up with the Second Regiment of the Twelfth Star Guards mercenary unit, having been impressed by their Star League Defense Force lineage, and the Twelfth Star Guards having been impressed by his piloting abilities. He served with them dutifully, fighting for the Federated Suns and the Lyran Commonwealth, up until the start of the Fourth Succession War in 3028.

When the Federated Suns launched their initial attack against the Capellan Confederation, Grigori was incensed, seeing the assault as little more than a cowardly sneak attack. Not wanting to participate on any attacks against the Capellans, he abandoned the Twelfth Star Guards and took his Mech, a Centurion, into Capellan space. It was there that he offered his services as a mercenary to the Capellan Confederation.

Shortly into the war, the Federated Suns captured the planet Tikonov and, with it, the Capellans’ newly up and running Cataphract production facility. Grigori took the theft of the Cataphract design and production as his new cause. He styled himself as a noble knight of old, with a quest to take back all Cataphracts from non-Capellan hands. Fatefully, it was not long before he encountered a Cataphract on the battlefield. With careful shooting, he disabled the Mech with minimal damage and took it as his own, replacing his aging Centurion. He dubbed it Ilya Muromets, after the legendary knight of Slavic myths, and emblazoned it with the noble Cameron Star of the Star League as a nod to his time with the Twelfth Star Guards and their connection to the SLDF. For the last 21 years he has been using Ilya Muromets to hunt down Federated Suns’ Cataphracts, meting out justice for their theft. Their salvaged remains have been used to repair and refit his own Mech to the point that it now operates with a unique loadout.


Fang & Flame:

Piloted by brothers, these Mechs have very different styles of combat, with one focussing on close range brawling, and the other long range attack. They can be found side-by-side, ever trying to best the other. Born on New Samarkand and part of a noble family, they attended the Sun Zhang MechWarrior Academy together. Upon graduation, each was given a Dragon – to Martin, a DRG-1C belonging to his grandmother, and to Donald, a DRG-1N that belonged to their father.

While receiving many distinctions and each rising to the rank of Chu-i (Lieutenant), in charge of their own Lances, the brothers often got into trouble for taking un-necessary risks in order to best each other. After their DCMS company commander, who was furious at them, convinced them to cease these actions, and the brothers focussed on customizing their Mechs in an attempt to outdo the other.

Having now risen to the rank of Sho-sa (Major), each is in charge of their own Company. They work at the Sun Zhang MechWarrior Academy together, pushing their students to see who can produce the better class of MechWarrior pilots.

Piloted by Martin Takeda, the Dragon DRG-FLAME boasts the following load out of a medium laser, AC/2, LRM-5, and an ER Large laser. This Mech is a perfect design for those who love to pick off opponents at long range!

Piloted by Donald Takeda, the Dragon DRG-FANG boasts a load out of two medium lasers, an SRM 6, and an AC/10. Clearly a brawler, this Mech is perfect for those pilots who are all about high armour, speed, and getting into the fight.


X-5:

A mysterious mercenary going by the name of Garth showed up one day at the Gibson Federated BattleMechs factory. He had a bank account loaded with c-bills and blueprints he claimed were for a Star League era upgrade to the Cicada. Business-minded as always, the Free World League mech supplier took in this custom job and a few short months later had modified a Cicada that was in their production line to meet Garth's requirements. He took possession of the variant, which he dubbed the "X-5", on March 5th, 3050 - sporting a custom paint job he tacked on to the weapon loadout alternations - and it has been spotted several times since fighting on various battlefields across the Inner Sphere.

(okay, so I took some liberties with that last one - there was no official lore that I am aware of)

Edited by WardenWolf, 09 April 2013 - 03:56 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 05:13 PM

I spent the day and about 11,000,000 bones on a Jager. So far, I'm not too impressed.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:51 PM

View PostGarth Erlam, on 09 April 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

The pilots are canon, aren't they? The Mechs themselves are almost always taken from "Steve McMechWarrior's infamous silver Atlas" or something. that's why we have YLW, in particular, as well as the Heavy Metal. A lot of people's famous Mechs are also basically the standard variant but with 'experimental ferro-fibrous armour' or something.

Please don't get me wrong...I don't want to complain...
Looking at the Starter Boxes (Blakw&Wolf, or Sword & Dragon) even Catalyst create Mechs that are completely taken from somewhere. Made with Prototype Tech and placed in a box...you have to buy the complete box for owning one of those special mechs... nothing wrong with that.
Nearly every novel has its own hero mechs - (Critoferis Penetrator with Clan ER-Large Laser - and the knowlege to maintain them...is a good example)

Was this Dragon in discussion http://www.camospecs...ure.asp?ID=5899
I believe the Flame uses the same idea...instead of a LT Missile Slot there is a LT cannon slot.

I'm just curious...how you choose the hero mechs.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 11:55 AM

View PostMakenzie71, on 09 April 2013 - 12:43 PM, said:


GASP! The audacity of me wanting not the same thing as you!

Maybe the title of the thread should be exactly what it is...since what I want isn't to transfer my unlocks to another mech but to keep the one I have.


If I inferred more importance to you saying that you didn't want to do the grind, then that's fine. The way you worded it made it sound that way. So in the interest of keeping things civil, for misinterpreting your meaning, I apologize.

And it isnt about you wanting something different than what I want. Its about a variant that would be despised by the masses for having no weakness.A K2, with room to mount twice as many gauss as a gauss-cat. or 4 Uac5's. Or even devastatingly high DPS of 4x AC2's combined with the a double ERPPC emercency punch

I know I tend to be on the side of 'No. wait.. lets think about it.." instead of " Sure! try whatever everyone likes", and some folks dont like it. But its not that you would abuse it, you have a particular load in mind. Its about the potential it has for being abused by the lowest common denominator.

This variant sounds like that potential is very high. Where I COULD see this loadout, would be in an assault mech. Since I don't think the Catapault has the tonnage to do this loadout that you want anyway. If you took, for example, a stock K2, put endo steel on it, pulled all the heat sinks, switched to an XL 260, you're still half a ton shy of being ableto mount 2 ERPPCs, and 2 ac2's, and thats without ammo. You could go down to an XL235, that would give you enough room for 2 tons of ammo. but now you're starting to get slow..... and a lot of folks cant stand being slow. Your mileage may vary.

Taking all of that into account, a Catapault assault mech, in the same vein as the MadCat IIc (is that right? I forget, the one with ears that had jumpjets ) would be cool, if there's a canon variant around for the catapault that supports it. Maybe that's you're hero mech if it exists, an assault class catapault.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 12:04 PM

View PostDonas, on 10 April 2013 - 11:55 AM, said:

An assault class catapault.

Its called the Stalker ;)

No, seriously, they have very similar design aesthetics. And both are primarily missile and energy boats. The whole business of the K2 having ballistics comes from a pair of *machine guns*, it was never supposed to be a ballistics-heavy mech. For that you have the JagerMech in the Heavy range, or an Assault like the Annihilator (not in this game, at least not yet).

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 03:16 PM

True enough. I thought the Stalker was gonna be MUCH larger than it is when they first announced it.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 06:40 PM

View PostDonas, on 10 April 2013 - 11:55 AM, said:


If I inferred more importance to you saying that you didn't want to do the grind, then that's fine. The way you worded it made it sound that way. So in the interest of keeping things civil, for misinterpreting your meaning, I apologize.

And it isnt about you wanting something different than what I want. Its about a variant that would be despised by the masses for having no weakness.A K2, with room to mount twice as many gauss as a gauss-cat. or 4 Uac5's. Or even devastatingly high DPS of 4x AC2's combined with the a double ERPPC emercency punch

I know I tend to be on the side of 'No. wait.. lets think about it.." instead of " Sure! try whatever everyone likes", and some folks dont like it. But its not that you would abuse it, you have a particular load in mind. Its about the potential it has for being abused by the lowest common denominator.

This variant sounds like that potential is very high. Where I COULD see this loadout, would be in an assault mech. Since I don't think the Catapault has the tonnage to do this loadout that you want anyway. If you took, for example, a stock K2, put endo steel on it, pulled all the heat sinks, switched to an XL 260, you're still half a ton shy of being ableto mount 2 ERPPCs, and 2 ac2's, and thats without ammo. You could go down to an XL235, that would give you enough room for 2 tons of ammo. but now you're starting to get slow..... and a lot of folks cant stand being slow. Your mileage may vary.

Taking all of that into account, a Catapault assault mech, in the same vein as the MadCat IIc (is that right? I forget, the one with ears that had jumpjets ) would be cool, if there's a canon variant around for the catapault that supports it. Maybe that's you're hero mech if it exists, an assault class catapault.



Grinding is unimportant to me. Really, if you think about it, having a new variant means I still have to grind to get the tweaks. But no, that wasn't my point, and I'm sure my response was a bit over the top as well and you also have my apologies for being a bit less than civil about it.

At any rate, the cat can carry what I want considering her tonnage. I'm not looking for anything else changed...just a different hard point configuration. At 65 tons I can carry the four AC2's and two PPC's...that doesn't make it a super badass, though. Considering how limited I would be on ammunition, the edge of a quad of AC's would quickly vanish unless I gave up my PPC's. I would also be limited on armor and a few other things. I would gain a strength that I really admire, but it really would come at quite a cost.

I can also tell you from my trials with a Jager that four AC2's only yields a nice DPS on paper. Don't get me wrong, it's nice, but a pair of Gauss will do more damage if the rounds connect. DPS is only a part of the equation.

I thought about doing a stalker....for what I spent on the jager I could have done it. No ballistics, though.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 06:59 PM

View PostMakenzie71, on 10 April 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

Considering how limited I would be on ammunition, the edge of a quad of AC's would quickly vanish unless I gave up my PPC's. .


Or speed. I had the same problem with my 4x Cataphract. even with the speed tweak, it tops out at a blistering 47 kph. But I think I have a Std 170 in it? Something... its really really slow. lol.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:58 AM

View PostMakenzie71, on 08 April 2013 - 06:49 PM, said:

Can I please have a Catapult with FOUR ballistics and two energy? 2 torso, 2 arm. and two energy on the torso? Basically a K2, but with the ballistic/energy swapped.

I would pay for this. Like money. Real money.


Funny you should mention this. When the closed beta was young and the K2 was released it had 4x ac hardpoints and 8x energy hardpoints. Running around with 4x mg's and 4x spl's for close range and 4x mpls for heavy hitting was good fun :ph34r:

And to think i didnt even have an overheat problem with single heatsinks lol.... ahhh the good old days.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:30 AM

^I would buy that. Even if stuck in that mg/spl/mpl configuration so long as I could still run a 315.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:45 AM

It's called a Jagermech :ph34r:

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:07 AM

View PostSyllogy, on 11 April 2013 - 06:45 AM, said:

It's called a Jagermech :ph34r:


Really? Which Jager mounts ballistics on the torso?

I have a Jager now...but it's still not really doing what I want. I'm still losing all of my ballistics in a melee and having very little to fall back on. Running the same configuration as my Cat, I'm still not doing as much damage as I do in a premade K2, much less my modded model.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:29 AM

If somehow PGI was to give you your hero catapault with that loadout, I would instantly demand to have the bounty hunters mech made a hero mech. (and with whatever loadout I want it to have :P )

(its natashas stolen marauder with $ signs painted all over it btw :ph34r: )



Point ? Your grasping at straws...... (thats the term right ?)

Edited by Fooooo, 11 April 2013 - 07:32 AM.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:31 AM

View PostMakenzie71, on 11 April 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:


Really? Which Jager mounts ballistics on the torso?

I have a Jager now...but it's still not really doing what I want. I'm still losing all of my ballistics in a melee and having very little to fall back on. Running the same configuration as my Cat, I'm still not doing as much damage as I do in a premade K2, much less my modded model.



Jager isn't really a melee mech, you want a Cataphract if you're going to play that way with ballistics. That's the nice thing about this game, each mech has their flavors and its up to you to decide what you do with it.

Edited by CapperDeluxe, 11 April 2013 - 07:32 AM.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:33 AM

View PostCapperDeluxe, on 11 April 2013 - 07:31 AM, said:

Jager isn't really a melee mech, you want a Cataphract if you're going to play that way with ballistics. That's the nice thing about this game, each mech has their flavors and its up to you to decide what you do with it.


This.

The Catapult and Jagermech are Fire Support Mechs. They are meant to stay at the edge of the battle and fire inward.

If you want to brawl use a Cataphract.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:51 AM

View PostSyllogy, on 11 April 2013 - 07:33 AM, said:

This.

The Catapult and Jagermech are Fire Support Mechs. They are meant to stay at the edge of the battle and fire inward.

If you want to brawl use a Cataphract.

my catapult C4 "hello kitty" tends to disagree with half of that statement. max range of 540m with an optimal range of 50-100m. 4x SRM6, 2x medium laser, 4x jump jets, max speed of around 86kph.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:57 AM

View Postblinkin, on 11 April 2013 - 07:51 AM, said:

my catapult C4 "hello kitty" tends to disagree with half of that statement. max range of 540m with an optimal range of 50-100m. 4x SRM6, 2x medium laser, 4x jump jets, max speed of around 86kph.


I said that it was meant to stay on the edge of battle. :ph34r: You have clearly modified that to be a mech that gets up close and personal.

I still believe that is a Hit-and-Run style of mech instead of a brawler though.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:58 AM

I think he wants to put in like 4 UAC/5's, or 4 AC/10, or crazy stuff like that.





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