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[Atayu]

You can easily get a laptop that will play MMO great for way under 2k. My current laptop was less then 1k back in December. It is a simple dell Insperion with the I-7 processor and a nvida 660 video card, 1TB SSD, 8 GB mem. It runs MWO just fine it plays on medium settings at 60 plus FPS. It dose start to get a little hot after a few hours play though. This is not my normal rig I play on though its just for when I am away from home. But the line have to spend 2-3K for a laptop that can play MWO not unless you are way overpaying or thinking you need allot more then you do.

[Atlas32]

Target Rich, on 09 April 2013 - 09:46 AM, said:

let me reinterate children....

I am NOT talking about the high end desktop...computer/mecha geek world that ALREADY can play this game...That is about 10 to 20 percent of the PC world out there...

What I am talking about is the 80 percent of normal graphic cards that are on LAPTOPS....its those laptops that are the new normal...heck...desktops are rapidly going the way of the dinosaur...in fact most pc designers are moving rapidly to mirroring the IPAD environment...

So when you build a game designed to work only on a small percentage of the working real computers out there...you define a mickey mouse niche game playing to a dedicated...abet obsessive...but miniscule total market...

The ONE and ONLY way to avoid this guaranteed path of failure is to bundle in a low end base IN ADDITION to the HIGH END that is already in the game...

Other\wise this is and always be a tiny niche game...

And yours truely desparately WANTS a decent mecha game....that has a wide player base because I loved StarLance play in MW3 and that MMP mecha experience in Chromehounds....

Both games were the closest that Mecha has come to breaking into mainstream...because both could be played on a huge base of EXISTING pc's and gaming computers..

Gee...I thought that was simple stufff...

Using a 4-5 year old mid-range laptop isn't going to be able to play ANY new game. Your integrated graphics card is not meant to handle games, despite what you may think. The fact that you believe your laptop is suitable for gaming is testament to your lack of Basic knowledge of computers.

Also, for $600, you can build a mid-range desktop that can EASILY handle MWO on medium range settings.
You need an actual GPU, and a multi-core CPU to run any games that are being produced now. It does not require a geek nerd super computer unless you want to run it on it's maximum settings.

Oh, and those "market share" values are completely irrelevant because 80% of PC users includes businesses, schools, Military, your grandmother...etc. Perhaps if you talk about the percentage of PC users that play games, then maybe you'd have a point. But do you really think that a large company like PGI doesn't know what type of market they're making the game for? That is the initial stage of game development right there. Researching if the game will be profitable for the market is one of the main concerns of ANY game developer.

TLDR: You are an ignorant fart who doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. Your computer is out of date; get a new one.

Edited by Atlas32, 09 April 2013 - 04:22 PM.

[Ph30nix]

Apnu, on 09 April 2013 - 12:14 PM, said:

One thing I've notice with laptops is they're filled with crapware out of the box. I usually spend an hour stripping that stuff out and fixing registry errors after unboxing. This is true of HP, Dell, and Lenovo. I haven't used Toshiba or Sony for a long time but I remember Sony, especially, filling their notebooks up with crapware running at boot time.

I have no idea why vendors insist on putting that stuff on those machines, most users don't have the knowledge or the conviction to scrub clean something they just bought. But its like cars, after buying a new one there's a small shakedown period. Or a new bicycle, after you leave the shop, in about a month you have to go back because all your cables are stretched out.

simple they get paid to do so, Or in the case of products they own its 2 fer, they hope you buy whatever crap they put on and they get to write it off as an expense for "advertisement" or whatever

[themanwithsauce]

I said this in another thread and I'll say it again here - My toshiba Qosmio was bought as a refurb for a little over 500$. Dual core i5, GTX 560m, 6GB of ram, 640GB hard drive, 17" display, backlit keyboard. I don't have a lot of money right now to spend on gaming but even if you go the console route you still need to buy the console + game so it's a minimum of 250$ for a single game not to mention any extra controllers, accessories, online, etc.....Paying out some money is the norm for gaming as a hobby. But being smart and shopping around, you don't have to spend that much.

It took me a while to get the laptop dialed in and I have upgraded to a quad core i7, 16GB of ram, and I added a 120GB SSD. All said and done - 800$. I am gaming with everything on medium/high and I'm playing at native resolution. So considering there are any number of laptops that will run this on low-medium in that 500-1000$ bracket, if you think they have somehow excluded a large majority of the potential gamers by demanding a decent video card from a laptop then either a) you don't know laptops or b ) you suck at shopping.

Here's link to where I got my laptop - http://www.consumerd...PSBY5U-01K01-MH
- SSD was bought on black friday - 60$
- RAM was a shell shocker on newegg - 50$
- i7 was taken out of a broken laptop being stripped for parts on ebay. - 190$
- Bracket for second HDD - 15$
So go ahead, tell me about how laptop gamers are being "excluded"

Edited by themanwithsauce, 10 April 2013 - 11:18 AM.

[Apnu]

Ph30nix, on 10 April 2013 - 07:52 AM, said:

simple they get paid to do so, Or in the case of products they own its 2 fer, they hope you buy whatever crap they put on and they get to write it off as an expense for "advertisement" or whatever

This motivation I understand, though I don't agree with it. I guess what I'm trying to say (and failing) is why the vendor would punish their paying customers with that garbage?

[Uncle Ted]

DanNashe, on 09 April 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

Question: what kind of warranty does a $1000 newegg computer btw? Even a simple hard drive failure is expensive for people who don't build their own machines. I was told I would have been charged at least $500 to get a motherboard diagnosed and replaced due to labor costs if I hadn't had parts and labor covered by warranty.

Most warranties on parts are 3 years. In fact, I don't even allow customers to purchase 1 year warranty motherboards, video cards (do they even make these?) or hard drives anymore.


To the OP's point, many optimizations for slower machines are available from various CFG file modifications. It would be nice if there were more sliders in-game to lower the graphics as well as DirectX11 support (DX9 was last updated in June 2010).

I'm not suggesting it should run on integrated graphics, but at the current patch level it won't even run that well on my Corei7/8GB/Nvidia 4200M series laptop.

Edited by Uncle Ted, 10 April 2013 - 05:14 PM.

[MentalPatient]

I built a pc for $1800 2 years ago, it runs the game perfectly on the highest settings. Just sayin.

[Black Rabbit of Inle]

Just a humble post of my own experience. I have a modest Toshiba laptop I7 1.7 gig quad 8 gig ram and a nvidia 330 when the game first came out it ran terrible so I resigned that it was back to the Xbox and armoured core for me... Then on a whim a few months down the road I tried again, suddenly all was good (with everything set to low granted) now after the latest patch its back to terrible again. But I'm not going to freak, at the end of the day patches are pretty regular and it all changed for me the first time round. For anyone going through similar I would say keep calm for now I thought I would never get to play this properly if it worked ok before, baring a complete code change I'm sure it can again (or am I just rosy cheeked naive? still if anyone adept in modifying cry engine ini files has any ideas I'm not going to complain

Edited by Black Rabbit of Inle, 11 April 2013 - 10:03 AM.

[Catamount]

Niko Snow, on 09 April 2013 - 12:51 PM, said:

Sending this one to the Hardware forums.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

(for future reference, this forum was requested by members to assist people in picking hardware, and troubleshooting issues; the OP is making a commentary on the game. As one of the people who pushed for this forum, I'd just ask that that be kept in mind, as keeping out complaints about the game keeps this forum stuck strictly to the facts and free of the distracting uberdrama that's taken over half of the rest of the forums)

Garth Erlam, on 09 April 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

I'm confused, are you saying before this patch you could run the game reliably with an INTEGRATED GPU on your 4 year old laptop? I can't even run Left4Dead on my 4 year old laptop with integrated graphics.

Are you sure, 100% sure, you were running it at a playable rate, on that laptop before this patch?

I will say that this really does summaries my confusion about the OP, though.

Even if the OP's "80%" demand referred to new laptops, we're talking GPUs that would be going down to the level of HD3000s. Most new AAA games do not run acceptably on such chips. If I put Bioshock Infinite or Crysis 3 on such a machine I probably wouldn't get playable framerates in those games either.

Since the OP is no doubt talking the GPUs in 80% of extant laptops, that means we're talking about AAA games running on low end integrated chips of 2-3 years ago, something like a Mobility Radeon HD 4250. Not only will no new 3D computer game run on such hardware, but to put this into perspective, the OP is basically demanding that you guys make MWO run on a GPU equivalent to my Nexus 10's Mali-T604

Now, back to tech support

Edited by Catamount, 11 April 2013 - 05:08 AM.

[Vulpesveritas]

Yeah, you'll only get 4-10fps on a 4250m I'm afraid. -Personal experience - though as cat said, it's an unrealistic request in all honesty. There is a price to gaming, even with free to play titles. That price is upgrades to mid-high end hardware every 4-6 years.

[Satarosun]

I agree, although I have a high end laptop from Toshiba the "qosmio" for-say intel7, gtx670, even I notice the frame-rate decrease (not to mention all of the bugs) They need to do something about it, I would think it would suck for the player-base, but i'm confident they'll do something, but it'll take time, they got till the end of the world right? ;P

[themanwithsauce]

Satarosun, on 11 April 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

I agree, although I have a high end laptop from Toshiba the "qosmio" for-say intel7, gtx670, even I notice the frame-rate decrease (not to mention all of the bugs) They need to do something about it, I would think it would suck for the player-base, but i'm confident they'll do something, but it'll take time, they got till the end of the world right? ;P

As a fellow Qosmio owner, heed my warning - the toshiba hard drives are crap for gaming and I don't know why. Mine had some bad stuttering in all games, even simple ones like terraria or warcraft 3. I use an SSD for my games now.