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[Grayseven]

Sedit, on 11 April 2013 - 05:22 AM, said:

a bigger jump jet is going to lift more, putting it on a small mech would give it much greater distance and height. If something can lift 100 tons 28 meters, it gonna lift 30 tons a hell of a lot higher. comparing brakes to jump jets is apples to oranges, the weight of the break system and pneumatic system would weigh more then the car. jump jest are not nearly so massive on a small mech.

The point really is why restrict jump jets and not other large items. A pair of ac/20's would rip apart a small mech firing it

Just like you can't fit semi brakes on a Prius, you can't put assault mech jump jets on a light mech. Assault mech jump jets are much larger and simply won't fit within the structure of a light mech...

That's the "real life versus video game" reason.

Because game balance requires you to use the JJ appropriate to your mech and the number of JJ hard points it supports.

That's the "it's a game and it has rules so you can't do stupid stuff like jump the entire map in a Spider" reason.

[3rdworld]

Grayseven, on 11 April 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

Just like you can't fit semi brakes on a Prius, you can't put assault mech jump jets on a light mech. Assault mech jump jets are much larger and simply won't fit within the structure of a light mech...

That's the "real life versus video game" reason.

Because game balance requires you to use the JJ appropriate to your mech and the number of JJ hard points it supports.

That's the "it's a game and it has rules so you can't do stupid stuff like jump the entire map in a Spider" reason.

If only the different classes of JJs were different sizes..... unfortunately for your example and your reasoning, they are all the same size, only different weight.

[One Medic Army]

3rdworld, on 11 April 2013 - 03:00 PM, said:

If only the different classes of JJs were different sizes..... unfortunately for your example and your reasoning, they are all the same size, only different weight.

Crit=/= physical size, otherwise assault mechs would all be the same physical size as a Flea or Commando.

[Grayseven]

3rdworld, on 11 April 2013 - 03:00 PM, said:

If only the different classes of JJs were different sizes..... unfortunately for your example and your reasoning, they are all the same size, only different weight.

How are they the same size? If I'm not mistaken, they are all the same weight (.5 ton per JJ), but that doesn't prevent them from being different thrust.

As I understand the game, JJ's are powered by plasma from the fusion reactor vectored through nozzles. Different nozzle types and designs provide different thrust, therefor jets that work on a Spider won't work on a Highlander (and the reverse).

[Kiith Azram]

One Medic Army, on 11 April 2013 - 03:10 PM, said:

Crit=/= physical size, otherwise assault mechs would all be the same physical size as a Flea or Commando.

Well, If I remember correctly (and it has been quite a while since I looked) there were alternate rules for lighter mechs to have fewer crit slots than heavier mechs (I think it was only really the exoskeletons (ultra-lights), Lights, and maybe mediums that carried the penalties) Much like there were alternate rules for "random equipiment" in some of the older mechs (Pre 3025 IS mechs) that just took up extra crits and weight to reflect how far the inner sphere's tech had slipped during the succession wars.

[3rdworld]

One Medic Army, on 11 April 2013 - 03:10 PM, said:

Crit=/= physical size, otherwise assault mechs would all be the same physical size as a Flea or Commando.

an AC/20 in a HBK takes up just as much crit space as an AC/20 in an Atlas or a raven for that matter. Therefore crits must be more or less equal in size regardless of the size of the mech.

Assault mechs aren't the same physical size as a flea. But apparently an atlas has the same amount of internal space for weapons as a spider.

[verybad]

The only difference is the tonnage difference. You wouldn't get better performance from the larger ones. They have that like that, because it would confuse people if they got a jumpjet off their Jenner, and tried to use it on their Highlander.

[Roadbeer]

What happens when something is too powerful for it's structure.

[One Medic Army]

3rdworld, on 11 April 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

an AC/20 in a HBK takes up just as much crit space as an AC/20 in an Atlas or a raven for that matter. Therefore crits must be more or less equal in size regardless of the size of the mech.

Assault mechs aren't the same physical size as a flea. But apparently an atlas has the same amount of internal space for weapons as a spider.

It's a rule system which sets up simplified rules for building and customizing imaginary things called battlemechs.
Some people just need to accept that the rules work one way and if there's no reason to change them it's easiest to just not change them.

Class I, II, III, IV, and V jumpjets are an implementation unique to MWO, in TT they were all jumpjets and weight was determined by the weight of the mech, similar to the way frame weight and the weight of melee weapons was determined.
MWO gave the different weights different names and assigned them a thrust value, whereas in TT 1jet=1hex.

I have yet to see a good reason why people need to be allowed to mount Jumpjets intended for 90+ton mechs onto 30ton mechs.

[Tykelau]

mwhighlander, on 11 April 2013 - 05:13 AM, said:

The class of jump jets are merely the size for use on bigger mechs.

Depending on the weight of the mech of your choosing, is the size of the jump jet that is appropriate.


Tell me, would you take the brakes off a semi-trailer and put them on your prius because you want to stop better?

I would however, take the brakes of an F1 car and put them on my car (if it was for free, cuz $$$$). Also the horn, because awesome.

[Deathlike]

If you go by MWO's JJ rules.. shouldn't the class 2 JJs be available to the Highlander?

I'm thinking they may have intended for the max tonnage to be "non-inclusive" and the min tonnage to be "all-inclusive".

Edited by Deathlike, 11 April 2013 - 05:15 PM.