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[Solomon Ward]

Loler skates, on 14 April 2013 - 02:29 AM, said:

wait people think the art of war applies in this game?


aha... ahahhahahaha. ahhhhhhhhh ha.

Bet you haven´t even read the book

[Loler skates]

Solomon Ward, on 14 April 2013 - 02:37 AM, said:

Bet you haven´t even read the book

It's 10 pages long.

It's incredibly basic information that any one with one an ounce of tactic or strategic thinking could explain.

I'm always amazed that people gush over stuff that is so incredibly obvious. Art of war might as well be titled art of the obvious.

[Solomon Ward]

Loler skates, on 14 April 2013 - 02:41 AM, said:

It's 10 pages long.

It's incredibly basic information that any one with one an ounce of tactic or strategic thinking could explain.

I'm always amazed that people gush over stuff that is so incredibly obvious. Art of war might as well be titled art of the obvious.

I guess because it´s ancient and refering to ancient texts is cool.

Like using memes.

[Blood Skar]

Yokaiko, on 13 April 2013 - 04:57 AM, said:

Point being if you zerged into all of that and died, you have now lost the right to dictate tactics. You are free to quit match, but they wasted MY time sucking it up.

Pretty much that. If my team played crap and got themselves wiped and i'm the sole survivor then imo they have foregone any rights to, as you put it 'dictate tactics'.

Dont get me wrong - If i'm the sole survivor then i listen to good advice from the dead Mech players. The problem being most(some?) of the time it's not good advice its bad advice.
Sometimes its even abuse to the point of calling me a bad player...when i know my stats would stand up against any other Lone Wolf player.

In all fairness i should add that sometimes it is praise for finishing the match after most of my team is wiped, it is quite often praise actually - which is good and shows level headed players. Instead of the ones raging at someone, for not doing exactly what they want, whilst they are spectating.

I notice most of the people raging in game are usually the ones in the bottom half of the scoreboard after the game has finished. This seems to almost always be the case.

Edited by Blood Skar, 14 April 2013 - 02:58 AM.

[Echo6]

My problem is that I've watched nearly half a whole team do this. Situation 3 on 3, my team has three 3Ls. Enemy is sitting on their base because they know it's 3 3Ls.

3 3Ls proceed to just hide out and run the clock. ******* ridiculous.

[Avatara]

Err. Can't you just use another mech while you wait for the match to end? Even if you only have 1 mech there are still 4 trial mechs you can use. Yes I know the trial mechs suck(everyone knows that) But it is a way to kill time, make some c-bills and exp while your favorite toy is locked. For the most part by the time you die, lose or win in the second match the first one is finished.

[Alex Warden]

its funny how the loudest flamers are mostly those with 0 kills, 1assist and 80dmg

[stjobe]

Loler skates, on 14 April 2013 - 02:41 AM, said:

It's 10 pages long.

It's a bit more than 10 pages; for starters, it has 13 chapters.

Either way, I prefer Clausewitz.

[FrOdO]

RG Notch, on 13 April 2013 - 09:16 AM, said:

Yup, you've got nothing except to accuse me of raging. What about the people "raging" about people giving up their location, oh they are ok. Anyways, good to see you've got nothing and have to go to ad hominem attacks, why not go straight to calling me a ****?
I guess I hit close to home when I called you out for stat whoring. It's just a game and no one will judge you by your stats. If you can't tolerate other people you can always find a good single player game.

This guy again, love this guy. Passive ranking over 9000!

[Bagheera]

Loler skates, on 14 April 2013 - 02:41 AM, said:

It's 10 pages long.

It's incredibly basic information that any one with one an ounce of tactic or strategic thinking could explain.

I'm always amazed that people gush over stuff that is so incredibly obvious. Art of war might as well be titled art of the obvious.

13 chapters, my translation is ~83 or so pages of just the translation. Book itself is double that with prefacing information, historical context, etc.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and should go read a book. I suggest starting with something easier to understand than Sun Tzu. I'd also suggest looking beyond the literal meaning of the things you read. That way you could enjoy reading The Book of Five Rings and realize that it's not actually just about sword fighting.

Edited by Bagheera, 14 April 2013 - 08:37 AM.

[FerretGR]

Erasus Magnus, on 14 April 2013 - 12:57 AM, said:

it really depends. if there is no light on the other team i might give it a try.

but really, if you want to watch other peoples matches, just quit the match, select another mech and launch a new game. no need to tell people how to play.

Try hiding? Why?

I'm not sure why everyone's focusing on the team that's dead. Hiding drags things out for both teams. It's a **** move.

Blood Skar, on 14 April 2013 - 02:46 AM, said:

I notice most of the people raging in game are usually the ones in the bottom half of the scoreboard after the game has finished. This seems to almost always be the case.

Alex Warden, on 14 April 2013 - 05:11 AM, said:

its funny how the loudest flamers are mostly those with 0 kills, 1assist and 80dmg

Sounds like confirmation bias to me. There are plenty of "good players" who see the futility in hiding instead of playing for the win and will speak up.

As for raging and flaming, when I see a light hiding instead of at least trying to win via cap or splitting the team up and killing them one at a time, I'm not screaming at them or anything, but I'll say what I'm saying here... hiding is futile, there's no repair bill, so given that, there's no reason to hide. None.

I occasionally do 80 damage in a match but I'll rage quit those so you'll get no abuse from me in those games

Look, I agree with what folks are saying about people playing their game: I'm not trying to tell people how to play, it's nobody's place to do so. If you get off on hiding, so be it. I'd just like to see the reasoning. I have yet to hear a single decent, let alone convincing, reason why the last light would hide. I'd love for someone to provide one.

[Loler skates]

Bagheera, on 14 April 2013 - 08:35 AM, said:

13 chapters, my translation is ~83 or so pages of just the translation. Book itself is double that with prefacing information, historical context, etc.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and should go read a book. I suggest starting with something easier to understand than Sun Tzu. I'd also suggest looking beyond the literal meaning of the things you read. That way you could enjoy reading The Book of Five Rings and realize that it's not actually just about sword fighting.

Jesus christ, what font size do you people have your texts stored in?

Also your insinuation as to my level of understanding and intelligence is both amusing and trite please though do carry on.

Edited by Loler skates, 14 April 2013 - 09:02 AM.

[Zerethon]

Accalia, on 13 April 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

I hope you aren't serious.

totally serious. 90% of my mechs have a BAP slotted so when everyone else on my team (and the losing team) is complaining about shutdown-hiding light-piloting moron #2387749823701.33 stopping the game from ending, i find them in my 100kph dragon and one-drop them with 4 large lasers to the face.

Seriously, it's not a difficult concept to utilize tech like that in general (More sensor effectiveness is always good) and it stops situations like these, what with all the complaining about shutdown hiders or shutdown-capping lights.

Either you use tactics involving all available resources and potential, or you fail to beat enemies using it. take your pick.

[Bagheera]

Loler skates, on 14 April 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

Jesus christ, what font size do you people have your texts stored in?

In a printed book. Appears to be ~10pt font.

Loler skates, on 14 April 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

Also your insinuation as to my level of understanding and intelligence is both amusing and trite please though do carry on.

If all you can glean from "The Art Of War" is it's literal meaning in the context of ancient warfare, then I'd say that mine was a safe insinuation. You are, at the very least, metaphorically challenged.

[Royalewithcheese]

Loler skates, on 14 April 2013 - 02:41 AM, said:

It's incredibly basic information that any one with one an ounce of tactic or strategic thinking could explain.

I'm always amazed that people gush over stuff that is so incredibly obvious. Art of war might as well be titled art of the obvious.

You'd think that, but then you see people consistently derp up in ways that Sun Tzu could have warned them against. It's not that reading a military strategy book from ancient China makes you an expert on all things strategic, but it's also important to recognize that people are still reading a military strategy book from ancient China for a reason.

[Loler skates]

So I went ahead and rooted around to find my copy of the text.

it's seventeen pages in A4 electronic format at font size 12. (my ten page comment was obviously partly hyperbole and partly me not remembering exactly how many pages long it was it has been a few years.)

I would also argue that anything you taking from the art of war in this day and age is the product of your own intellect looking for ways to make the writings applicable to the modern era, you are doing most of the work and then giving credit to the text for it.

Much of what is contained in the text isn't elucidating or enlightening for any one with a broad education (most modern humans) who are able to consider the context of what they are looking at. I am unimpressed with the work because when I read the text it didn't provide me with avenues of thought I hadn't considered before.

Edited by Loler skates, 14 April 2013 - 09:47 AM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Vassago Rain, on 13 April 2013 - 04:52 AM, said:

The thing is, you're not gonna win in your raven against 6 other guys, and making the 7 other players on your team mad that they have to wait another 8 minutes for you to die is spiteful.

and its kind of funny that this attitude is defended by the ppl making the game

[Loler skates]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 14 April 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

and its kind of funny that this attitude is defended by the ppl making the game

why wouldn't they want this to crop up.

it's another way to 'motivate' new players into buying mech bays.

[Gus VAPOR Rice]

FerretGR, on 14 April 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

Look, I agree with what folks are saying about people playing their game: I'm not trying to tell people how to play, it's nobody's place to do so. If you get off on hiding, so be it. I'd just like to see the reasoning. I have yet to hear a single decent, let alone convincing, reason why the last light would hide. I'd love for someone to provide one.

I really like what you are saying here, but there is a danger when you want it to be convincing to you while it only needs to be convincing for the light pilot. :-)
The danger is that if you dont agree, it will lessen your enjoyment of the game and you will be annoyed at the light pilot because you think he is doing out of spite (since he does not have a convincing reason)?


But taking a stab at explaining it I would guess the competitive gaming mindset can take many forms, from willingness to leg team mates, keep a high kdr or even the simple extension of combat survival and thwarting your enemies intentions in whatever possible way.(including thwarting the "well-meaning" last samurai charge or seppuku counsel from teammates.)

[Mystere]

Yokaiko, on 13 April 2013 - 04:18 AM, said:

Oh and before you call me out for not fighting...have more kills than me.

Don't despair. I have observed that many times the loudest mouth in the game is the one who died first.

Edited by Mystere, 14 April 2013 - 10:20 AM.