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[MadAndrew]

Daggett, on 14 April 2013 - 01:47 AM, said:

Well at least the 4X is way better than most players think.
It lacks the almighty ECM, but it's jumpjets can quite compensate that:
http://www.mechspecs...Poptart-(2-PPC)

Heh, gg. Total 673 dmg with 20 per alpha - makes at least 34 alphas that hit. Have you been playing against blind people or what?

[Rippthrough]

Proves nothing, even if were an 8 kill, 1000 damage match. I've blown people to pieces in matches with a 4X, but they're still massively underpowered compared to the rest of the lights.

[Daggett]

MadAndrew, on 14 April 2013 - 01:59 AM, said:

Heh, gg. Total 673 dmg with 20 per alpha - makes at least 34 alphas that hit. Have you been playing against blind people or what?

Thx. They were not blind, they just could not see it coming. The raven is fast enough to switch positions easily so you can always attack from the direction they expect least. I play it as some sort of poptarting flanker and for me it works really well.

BTW, in that particular match i used 2 Large Lasers which i currently prefer because they have no min-range and save 4 tons.

[Noob Weapons]

Yeah.. I have to say those are pretty terrible stats for a mech. I remember that I couldn't wait to sell my extra ravens (and I'm thinking about selling my 3L, because it promotes bad gameplay and I don't really play it anymore).

If averaged, my jenner's damage comes out as 250 per match including losses. Overall I think on any given win I deal 350 - 550 damage.

My raven is a bit less, but I haven't played him since I've gotten better at the game.

Sources:

[Dukarriope]

Noisy canary 2X. Not a 3L. Honest!

[Loler skates]

when your light mech averages 400 damage a game and regularly gets 800+ on decent matches thats when you can claim the variant doesn't suck nuts.

Otherwise no.

Jenner variants and raven 3l regularly manage this.

2x/4X not so much.

[Diablobo]

I'm sorry, am I missing something, or does the OP screenshot not even say what mech that is? It could be an Atlas for all we know, but then again, with such mediocre numbers, I suppose it's legit. The mech stats screenshot is even worse. The only mech worse than the 4x for badaa is the Treb-K and he hasn't even played that as much. Give it up, there is no amount of stats anyone is going to show that would prove that they are killer mechs.
Hey, I really like my 4x and rather than trying to prove it's good on paper, I think it's better to look at the fun angle. The jumpjets really make it fun, and that's what matters to lots of us right? It's fun.

Edited by Diablobo, 14 April 2013 - 05:05 AM.

[Royalewithcheese]

OP should stop listening to forum complaining and just get the good Raven. When ppl on the forums say "cheese," read "effective."

[Fate 6]

Came in here expecting a single anecdotal screenshot.

Was not disappointed.

I once won a game in a trial mech, does that mean they are good?

[Xendojo]

As a raven pilot, the 2X....well the 2X is weak.

But the 4X....i LOVE the 4X!!! Way more fun than my 3L!

And besides guys, IMHO, light mechs should not be judged by how much damage they do or how many kills/assists they get.

They should be judged on how much of a distraction they are, how much they disrupt the enemy team. Did that light scout the enemy and make them adjust tactics? Did that light draw 2 heavies out into the open after a hit & run? Did it draw lots back with a cap bluff? Did that light park right behind that atlas you were brawling and strip his back armor or even finish it off? Did it fight off the raven pack of doom while they were circling your assault mech?

I love seeing a well piloted light in action, almost as much as i love being that pilot.

My RVN-4X has full JJ, 2 Large Lasers, an SRM4(1ton ammo), AND max engine. With a heat efficiency of 1.37 so it can stay in an engagement if need be, but i prefer hit & run with it. It's a nasty little build that can see 800+ damage in a longer match, but usually i come in somewhere between 200-500 damage in it.

Not to mention that it has zero issues killing a RVN-3L or any ECM light for that matter.


EDIT: If you want to learn how to be an effective light mech pilot, get good in a RVN-4X. If you can be effective in a 4X you can be effective in almost any other light.

Edited by Xendojo, 14 April 2013 - 07:25 AM.

[Alistair Winter]

There are three reasons why this thread is silly:

1) It doesn't really matter what one or two people can do with a mech. If I put Michael Schumacher behind the steering wheels of my rusty Volvo stationwagon, I'm sure he could outrace an amateur driver in a Porsche 911 on a racing track. That doesn't mean my Volvo is as good or better than a Porsche. It probably just means Schumacher is a good driver. You need to look at the average pilot, not the best ones.

The statistics are more valuable than personal anecdotes or theories with little empirical support. That is part of the reason why PGI clearly ignores 99,99% of the posts made on this forum, and keep looking at the statistics to determine that "everything is working as intended".

It's also why Garth Erlam isn't calling his developers right now, saying "Guys, we were completely wrong about the Raven 2X. Look at this screenshot someone posted on the forum!"

2) Some people pretend that you need to consistently get 6 kills and 1000 damage per match to prove that your mech is average or better. Apparently, if you're a good pilot, you will have a KDR of 10+. This is false, or at least false in most cases. Unless you're at the very top of the foodchain, and there simply aren't any players in this game that can challenge you, a crazy KDR just means that A) your ELO is too low or B] You're getting matched up against low ELO players due to premade groups.
[Assuming that ELO is working, anyway. There may be other bugs out there resulting in good players constantly getting matched up with bad players]

When people want to prove that the Raven 2X is a good mech, they show score charts where they did more damage than an Atlas. When people want to prove that their Atlas is a good mech, they show score charts where they did more damage than a Raven. It's completely meaningless. There are so many factors involved in a game. Just because you happened to get 4 kills in one match doesn't mean that you're better than the other guys on your team, or that your mech is better, or that your build is better. Scoring 1 kill and doing 200 damage against the top players in this game is more impressive than scoring 6 kills against a team who were blasting you with LRMs and PPCs from 30 meters away.

3) I lost my train of thought. Oh well.

Edited by Alistair Winter, 14 April 2013 - 06:34 AM.

[Taemien]

In one of my worst games, I did 5 less damage in a 3L than the OP showed in their first screen:



However.. in that game I had the yellow screen bug and had to fight blindly, utilizing a friend who was dead right off the bat to guide me along over TS. Literally stuff like, "Aim up, a little more, to the right an inch.. wait, Fire Lasers.. locked Fire Streaks!" Felt like playing some crazy version of Star Trek.

So yeah, it wouldn't be a bad thing for the 2X and 4X to get some help. Maybe allow them to mount ECM or up their speed cap a tad. Or an extra energy hard point. One extra medium laser goes a long way sometimes.

[Felicitatem Parco]

The AC/20 Ravurbanmech-4X is pretty fun for those low Elo-Score, PUG matches...

But for an 8-Man Team Game? There's almost no reason to run a slow, short-range-only Light Mech, especially a Raven, because you'll receive the entire enemy LOGOUTteam's focused fire (they will assume you have ECM and are a priority Target, unlike PUG games where people leave Ravens alone and focus on Heavies/Assaults for some reason) and their coordinated Light Packs will smoke you.

The Raven 4X would HAVE TO use it's JJ's to stay alive in a competitive gaming environment, because a 3L can outrun it and jam it's Radar to prevent the 4X from calling in targeted support.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 14 April 2013 - 06:59 AM.

[Tie Ma]

is this a joke? it says you did 191 damage

[ReissTC]

I got 400 damage once in the stock Raven 4x... because literally everyone on the enemy team ignored me. Unless it gets a bigger engine cap and machine guns get a buff, the 4x is just a slow Jenner that has half as many (useful) weapons. I want to like the 4X, but the only practical ballistic option, MGs... well, you've probably seen enough about those over the previous week.

2X is better, at least it swaps the ballistics for lasers. Slow engine means it's rather poor, though. Lack of jumpjets doesn't help. Large engine (and ECM, maybe?) would probably make the 2X fairly good for those who prefer lasers to streaks. Still compares unfavourably to the Jenner (slower, lacks jumpjets, fewer weapons, limited torso vertical movement for fighting in steep-inclines like on Alpine) and Raven 3L (slower, no ECM)

They're bad. No (practical) reason to use either over the Jenner or Raven-3L. May get one for the hell of it, though, like the Cicada 3C... (which I'm dead set on trying to make a workable setup with)

[EvilCow]

More Raven 2X fun, from today's games:





May be it is not the best mech around but it is definitely not bad.

[Walk]

Dude, your stats are seriously ******* awful. you have a 33% win rate with that raven! Your argument is completely and totally lost...

Edited by Walk, 14 April 2013 - 09:55 AM.

[Alistair Winter]

I'm surprised to see that some people prefer the 4X over 2X. I guess it's mostly Jenner veterans who are able to use the JJs to great effect. I myself am never able to.

EvilCow, on 14 April 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

More Raven 2X fun, from today's games:

May be it is not the best mech around but it is definitely not bad.

What build are you using, out of interest?

[Roland]

badaa, on 14 April 2013 - 01:31 AM, said:

heres another then

Uh, you realize that the screen behind the scoreboard shows that you weren't piloting a raven in that game, right?
It appears that you were in fact in an Atlas.

[B E E L Z E B U B]

The Cheese, on 14 April 2013 - 01:06 AM, said:

Got screenshots for your next 10 matches?

Also, don't mean to rain on your parade, but 2 kills and 191 damage? That's not really "this mech is freaking awesome" material.

second that. you probably, but not surely, stole those 2 kills, or atleast 1.