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[MrZakalwe]

I love this game! Love it to bits.

Been playing for less than a week so I'm still a noob so I wanted the perspective of more experienced players (see if I'm just QQing)

Is it me or is the ECM crazily powerful for its tonnage and the effort involved in using it?

Is it me or do LRMs mostly seem to be a visual effect? Played MW2/3/4 so I'm used to dodging them (stay in cover, kids) but when I do get caught out they seem to do very little.

What am I missing?

Is there some way to counter the minimap removal for a non-ecm carrying mech?

[Roadbeer]

Wow, two hot button topics in one post...


RELEASE THE HOUNDS.

Sorry OP, you just created a thread that is going to get WAY out of control.

[MrZakalwe]

Ok just used the magical search function- wish I had done that before I posted this.

[Roadbeer]

[Sadistic Savior]

MrZakalwe, on 15 April 2013 - 08:08 AM, said:

Is it me or is the ECM crazily powerful for its tonnage and the effort involved in using it?

I have seen people say this, but if it was really so powerful, I think we'd see more people equipping it. I see it in about half the matches I play. Also, only certain mechs even have the option of fitting it. I think that is a big reason why it is not overpowered.

MrZakalwe, on 15 April 2013 - 08:08 AM, said:

Is it me or do LRMs mostly seem to be a visual effect? Played MW2/3/4 so I'm used to dodging them (stay in cover, kids) but when I do get caught out they seem to do very little.

I have killed people before with LRMs, and I suck using missiles. Even light mechs. LRMs are more about strategy...you need to position yourself where the opponent can't run away. If you treat them like direct fire weapons, they are not going to be very effective.

For me they simply are not as fun as ballistics or energy weapons. But I have seen some really good LRM pilots before that just devastated my team.

[MrZakalwe]

Sadistic Savior, on 15 April 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

I have seen people say this, but if it was really so powerful, I think we'd see more people equipping it. I see it in about half the matches I play. Also, only certain mechs even have the option of fitting it. I think that is a big reason why it is not overpowered.

If I could equip it I would- but as a new player I didn't know it existed or which mechs could quip it so I purchased one that couldn't.

Don't think I've ever seen somebody who can equip it not equip it.

I don't think it's super death star powerful but I can't find anything else at 1.5 tons that makes more difference.

I wonder if this is just a beta test thing or if they are going to leave it this way- hope for the former.

Sadistic Savior, on 15 April 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

I have killed people before with LRMs, and I suck using missiles. Even light mechs. LRMs are more about strategy...you need to position yourself where the opponent can't run away. If you treat them like direct fire weapons, they are not going to be very effective.

For me they simply are not as fun as ballistics or energy weapons. But I have seen some really good LRM pilots before that just devastated my team.

Fair enough, as I'm new and bad I'm mostly playing against new and bad people- this probably explains it.

[Sadistic Savior]

MrZakalwe, on 15 April 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

If I could equip it I would- but as a new player I didn't know it existed or which mechs could quip it so I purchased one that couldn't.

I can't equip it because I simply don't like any of the mechs you can use it on. ECM is simply not powerful enough to make me want to play them anyway.

Also, ECM can be countered with another player with ECM. And if ECM is really that common, it stands to reason it can be countered pretty easily, as it is likely someone on your team also has it. If it is countered, it is basically just dead weight you are carrying around that could be used for weapons or ammo or armor. And if I am close enough, ECM still won't matter even if it is not being countered.

ECM is basically only good for ensuring you can't be LRMed at the beginning of the match.

MrZakalwe, on 15 April 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

Don't think I've ever seen somebody who can equip it not equip it.

I see it all the time. Especially atlases. Played a game that included three atlases last night...none had ECM.

[MrPils]

The problem is when you come across ECM in a trial mech. Most are hit pretty hard by no locks or badly equipped to deal with lights. It gets much easier after your first 25 matches when you have enough cbills for your own custom mech. The Hunchback P model is very forgiving for your first purchased ride and the other variants give you good weapon variety when you've got some real experience in the game. Stick with it!

[Zerberus]

Welcome to the game.

The current "non-agenda" consensus seems to be that LRMs (and missiles in general) are currently a bit UP, this is due to the way PGI is addressing the known issues with these systems. It IS being worked on afaik.

As far as ECM goes, the consensus seems to be either "it definitely still needs a tweak and /or "If you can`t beat ´em, join ´em". I personally opted for the second because I`m here to test and enjoy the game, not spam the forums 24/7 with 50 threads abot the same thing unlike some here seem to be...(No offense intended or implied towards anyone in this thread)

Whether or not ECM is being actively reworked is a popcorn topic.

Sadistic Savior, on 15 April 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

Also, ECM can be countered with another player with ECM. And if ECM is really that common, it stands to reason it can be countered pretty easily, as it is likely someone on your team also has it. If it is countered, it is basically just dead weight you are carrying around that could be used for weapons or ammo or armor. And if I am close enough, ECM still won't matter even if it is not being countered.

ECM is basically only good for ensuring you can't be LRMed at the beginning of the match.

Not to go into great detail or rehash the discussion (which others will probably do anyway), partly becasue I generally agree.

But the issue is not quite as cut-and-dried with regard to new players. Remember, ECM also shuts down IFF, and that many matches in PUG have an ECM Imbalance (I generally either drop in my D w/o ecm onto a non-ecm team, or in my D-DC onto a team with 2 3Ls and another D-DC, and I only drop solo or with a single bro)... so as a newbie, you essentially have no idea what to shoot at half of the time, and often no idea where to move. A buddy of mine is actually complaining about exactly this as I type, he`s on his 10th match or so... "How can I be a team player if I have no Idea which of the 4 green mechs in front of me are mine and which aren`t? At least when you`re in the game I know not to shoot the big black one and stay close to it"

Edited by Zerberus, 15 April 2013 - 09:26 AM.

[Tennex]

haha its a scrub account

[Siliconwolf]

Things are a bit messed up at the moment. The ECM and LRM issues are probably the most complained about topic and there's some work being done to correct them apparently...LRM's for sure, ECM is anyone's guess at the moment. We'll just have to wait and see what happens I guess.

[Budor]

The minimap removal, or more specificly the removal of team positions from the minimap is being looked at. They might change that soon™.

[Roughneck45]

Im always curious when someone makes a post like this. Makes me think it's an alt account just to stir up the hot button topics from a "noob" perspective...

[Zerberus]

^^ While not impossible, I think giving the benefit of the doubt is warranted at least until such a time when stats are public and we can see whether the account has actually been in game.

I see it as someone making a post so my bros don`t have to and can concentrate on their C-bills instead, since they tell me essentially teh same thing as posted above, and my own experience is not massively different.

Edited by Zerberus, 15 April 2013 - 09:41 AM.

[Coolant]

we're being played!

[MrZakalwe]

You really aren't being trolled- the LRM bit was mostly one of my more experienced friends whining that got me thinking and the ECM bit was what got me to come here- was teamkilled by a friendly while flanking because of enemy ECM really wish this was an alt because then I'd prolly suck less.

If they remove the IFF blocking on ECM I wont have a problem with it and you said they are working on LRMs.

I'm still playing and still having fun (though still sucking )

Does anybody else have problems with it crashing when they alt/tab?

Edited by MrZakalwe, 15 April 2013 - 11:45 AM.

[Roughneck45]

MrZakalwe, on 15 April 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

Does anybody else have problems with it crashing when they alt/tab?

Yes, many. The bugs are endless.

[Sephlock]

OP is right on both counts.

[Livewyr]

PGI is loving it to bits too..

[Willie Sauerland]

MrZakalwe, on 15 April 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

You really aren't being trolled- the LRM bit was mostly one of my more experienced friends whining that got me thinking and the ECM bit was what got me to come here- was teamkilled by a friendly while flanking because of enemy ECM really wish this was an alt because then I'd prolly suck less.

If they remove the IFF blocking on ECM I wont have a problem with it and you said they are working on LRMs.

I'm still playing and still having fun (though still sucking )

Does anybody else have problems with it crashing when they alt/tab?

Keep at it,

you'll get better.

The crash is known.

Check for a crashdump in

C://Games/Pirahna/MechWarrior Online/User/

and if you have one

send it to support

support@mwomercs.com

with a DxDiag.

It will help them figure out

what is going wrong

and get it fixed.