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[alexivy]

Not gonna lie, I'm pretty disappointed by how this patch is shaping up. The champion mech is stupid, appealing mostly to people who like the chassis and wish to forego the grind or just players who want to have every mech. The Highlander seems to be fairly ordinary but I guess it's too soon to tell. I really hope I'm wrong.

[Ialti]

Yoseful Mallad, on 15 April 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

So this months Champion mech is the custom Dragon 5N mech that was picked for the trail mech contest LMAO!! Really PGI? So you are going to have us do these community contests so the winning mech can then be called a Champion mech that only has a 5% XP boost and can only be bought with MC?

Um... LOL!!! Ill pass!! I can build the same mech with C-Bills and the 5% extra XP boost I can live without. Taking someone's custom mech build slapping a 5% XP boost on it and calling it a Champion mech is laughable!!

If this is your only way to come up with Champion mechs... I'm really worried lol.

I admit. A little... bland.

But think of it this way: there're plenty of folks who will shell out to support the game and just straight buy a mech for MC. That's how PGI supports this thing in the first place. Now those folks will get the chance to buy those mechs with a 5% xp boost and the title 'champion.'

And really, every month or two I will go spend a little money on MWO--I was around in closed beta, but wasn't sure I'd stick with the game and didn't want to commit to founder's. Now I think I like playing, and that just as a gesture of thanks and to satisfy my own desire for instant gratification (thanks, American culture) I'll MC a mech every once in a while. I know that if I should want a model and they have a 'champion' or 'regular' version, I'll probably pick the champion.

No, it doesn't really change the decision of 'will I buy or not,' I'm still going to shell out a little every once in a while out of sheer thanks. But I consider it a nice little gesture from the devs to give me more options.

So... Thanks!

[Johnny Reb]

We totally need ppl like you!

[Urdnot Mau]

Koniving, on 15 April 2013 - 06:26 PM, said:

I said that's what it was going to a week ago. You've only just clued in?
http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2205477
They told me I clued in super late.

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[Joe Mallad]

OneEyed Jack, on 15 April 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

And in other news: Reading comprehension drops to an all-time low....

how about instead of correcting what you think I'm trying to say... Read what I'm saying and understand that I'm saying, anyone can buy the standard 5N with MC now if they want to. OR they can buy this Champion 5N at twice as much MC and all you're getting out of it is a 5% XP boost. It's not worth it.

[bigdaddynash]

DanNashe, on 15 April 2013 - 06:58 PM, said:

My understanding of how founders mechs work, is they use the same pilot tree, so the trees will likely be merged.

Secondly, my understanding is they had a great idea for a competition.
It went really well but PGI outright said "man guys, this took a LOT of time and effort on our part to compile results. This is cool, but it's not worth developer time."
So I suspect after they did all this, some guy said "hey, you know what might make this kind of thing worth our time in the future . . . ". So probably not an evil conspiracy.

Even if it was, so what? Would I have voted differently? Sure.
Am I hurt by it? No.

Back on the main point:

Would I buy it for MC for 5% exp boost when I prefer the 1C variant which can run similar weapons? Of course not.
Would I pay 2,000 MC for even a 1C variant with 5% more exp? No.
But will other people? I don't know.
If 2 of them sell, obviously, the rewards aren't worth it.
If 500 of them sell, PGI made a good money making decision.

Given how the coding works, I bet it took one guy very l ittle time to create Champion mechs (by create I mean add in code that says "if you play this mech, you get 5% more exp!", not the whole competition thing).
If they don't sell at all, they've delayed a feature I want by 1/2 a day at most, for nothing.
It won't hurt my game play at all. I can just not buy it.

IF they sell 10,000 of them, it won't hurt me at all, because I can buy an identical mech with C-Bills and just play 5% more games on mine.
But it will help me, because that's potentially $100,000 - the cost of a new chassis!

So why the *anger*?
It will be desirable, or it won't.
If it's not desirable, they'll increase the bonus or they will not introduce any more champion mechs.
Either way, it hurts no one.

And yeah, actually, when I started, I bought mechs with MC.
Why? Because I was willing to pay $30 bucks to support the game, And that got me 5 mechbays and 2 mechs.
So the day after I Finished my 25 games I had 3 different mechs I could play.
In contrast, I could have spent that money on one hero mech and nothing else.

IT could also depend on price point.
IF champion mechs are 1250 or lower, that's $8 to save myself 60 games.
That's 10 hours of my life.
Yeah, sometimes 10 hours of my life is worth $8.
(Why? Because maybe I have 10,000 exp on the trial mech and just want to play a dragon!)


In fact, here's a novel idea.
You said it is dumb to buy c-bill mechs with MC.
Let's say your right.
Let's say a mech costs 5 million cbills (2000 MC).
No one would pay MC if they're smart (according to you).
But let's say for 2000 MC I get the same mech AND a 5% exp bonus.
Now suddenly, it is looking a lot more tempting because the eXP bonus is a free perq for spending MC. In other words, suddenly there's at least a small reason to buy these variants with MC.

Best of all, it's not pay to win at all! Not even *potentially* P2W like hero mechs could be if they accidentally introduced one that was the best in chassis. The more money PGI makes on things like that, the better this game will be for all of us.

I'm just saying, why the hostility, man? Take a chill pill and relax!

Actually bad decisions do leave scars, don't think for a moment when running a buisness that you can do what ever experiment you like and not get feedback. Cause and affect, silly ideas then loss of public confidence. PGI makes a lot of these and in return people think about their buisness like this...

FrOdO, on 15 April 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

Mech Warrior Online name change coming soon!: Money Warrior Online

You see, we are the ones being hurt because our devs are looking foolish for the whole world to see. Staining the game's rep and making it less likely for a good outcome for this titles future. It all adds up, people do remember. This BS idea of a mc purchasable mech ontop of mc consumables, 3rdperson, more bugs than ever and the cw that is hushed for months then suddenly has a deadline on a plateform that's as unfinished as this one is... you see where the decisions are taking their toll. Don't you?

[AlexEss]

the way i see it, it is a good idea.

by letting the community offer designs you get viable and solid builds. By then offering them as trial mechs you let average casual user try it for free and then you offer it up to them for a modest fee ready to go. they do not need to tinker with anything and still get to feel like they have a good mech with some added value thanks to the xp boost.

So it is a win/win/win situation. PGI get the community involved, we all get less aweful triamechs and the average casual player can oen a good mech that is hassle free without it affecting the "leet" crowd AT ALL. =)

These mechs are not aimed at the advanced user but the casual, fairly uninitiated player that will/does make up the majority of the game.

Edited by AlexEss, 16 April 2013 - 04:24 AM.

[Vassago Rain]

bigdaddynash, on 16 April 2013 - 03:57 AM, said:

Actually bad decisions do leave scars, don't think for a moment when running a buisness that you can do what ever experiment you like and not get feedback. Cause and affect, silly ideas then loss of public confidence. PGI makes a lot of these and in return people think about their buisness like this...



You see, we are the ones being hurt because our devs are looking foolish for the whole world to see. Staining the game's rep and making it less likely for a good outcome for this titles future. It all adds up, people do remember. This BS idea of a mc purchasable mech ontop of mc consumables, 3rdperson, more bugs than ever and the cw that is hushed for months then suddenly has a deadline on a plateform that's as unfinished as this one is... you see where the decisions are taking their toll. Don't you?

Yeah, all of this.

[Kyynele]

OneEyed Jack, on 15 April 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

And in other news: Reading comprehension drops to an all-time low....

You do realize that the 'lower MC price point' obviously is compared to Hero Mechs (mentioned in the beginning of the paragraph) that are a lot more expensive than standard variants. The champion will not be cheaper than a regular 5N.

Edit:

I'm personally disappointed because I thought there would be a new cool thing to buy. If and when this doesn't even look different than the regular 5N, I'd be paying money just for the letter C in parentheses. That's just not cool enough.

I would've likely bought it even if they just added a small hat on it. Everything is better with hats. But no. No hats.

Edited by Kyynele, 16 April 2013 - 04:52 AM.

[DerSpecht]

Yoseful Mallad, on 16 April 2013 - 03:20 AM, said:

how about instead of correcting what you think I'm trying to say... Read what I'm saying and understand that I'm saying, anyone can buy the standard 5N with MC now if they want to. OR they can buy this Champion 5N at twice as much MC and all you're getting out of it is a 5% XP boost. It's not worth it.

What is worth what for other people is not for you to decide.

[1453 R]

Man, folks around here will complain about anything.

Somebody wins a community contest, and their design gets a 5% XP bonus, a new classification, and in the game after what was probably three hours tops of a developer's actual work time after the decision was made. No real resource expenditure on PGI's part (aside from wading through the original contest), and the community gets an outlet to start pumping competitively modified designs straight into the cash shop. ...apparently, this is grounds for calling PGI names again. Jeebus. These guys just can't win around here.

If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you do like it, there you go. This isn't the sort of decision that should be raising a ruckus, folks. Come on, there are so many other things you all could be harping on PGI and threatening to LEAVE AND NEVER COME BACK(!!!) over. if you're going to be unreasonable reactionaries (again), at least pick something worth reacting to, eh?

[jay35]

What annoys me about it is I'd be happy to buy it to support them if they made the concept in any way actually appealing. A module that provides 5% XP gain to the mech you place it on would make more sense and probably sell a lot more.

[Little Nemo]

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Edited by Skinny Pete, 16 April 2013 - 05:16 AM.

[Belorion]

Team Leader, on 15 April 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

If you buy the "champion mech" with real life money, you're a fool. It'll still cost you more MC to convert that whopping 5% extra xp locked on to one of the worst (least flexible) variants in the game. I can't believe anyone even buys regular mechs with Mc anyway, they don't even come with a free mech bay or custom paint...

People buy the regular chassis for MC, why would this one be any different? It's less money than the N variant, so it makes more sense for people to buy this one than the N.

[Viper69]

So dont buy them I guess. Dont see the big deal its not like anyone is forcing people to spend money FFS. I criticize the crap out of PGI butI wont for this because its your own dumb ***** faults if you buy something you dont like. Not their fault for trying to get you to buy it.

Edited by Viper69, 16 April 2013 - 05:20 AM.

[JuiceKeeper]

i dont know, personaly i dont have problem with this idea. Those mechs arent even so special like hero mechs and their different hardpoints to normal version. If u desire that MC version that much but u dont want to pay for it u can still built it without that XP bonus. And as i come to xp bonus..... i wouldnt never buy mech for xp bonus. I allready have on mechs which i like to play at least 100 000 xp stored and they generating more every game so that bonus isnt that much important in long run its just good when u are in rush and u want chassis unlocked asap. Cbill bonus is still much better long term choice.

But one thing has to be said and that is PERSON who is original designer of that mech should get his Dragon or whatever mech championed by PGI or get one for free. If they want to seel stuff from comunity. It will dont cost them anything its just digitali produced goodies which prob that person wouldnt buy anyway just to get his chassis champ status. But it would be nice thank you from PGI.

If they are people who will buy them lets give them blast maybe we will see some more content added into game faster:P.

Edited by JuiceKeeper, 16 April 2013 - 05:29 AM.

[Mister Blastman]

A 5N of all mechs. The red-headed ******* stepchild of Dragons. The outcast. The unwanted. The ridiculed and picked on.

I never, ever use my 5N.

A 1C or a 1N would have been a better choice. In fact, I see zero reason why it wasn't a 1N instead. 1Ns are solid mechs.

Edited by Mister Blastman, 16 April 2013 - 05:34 AM.

[OneEyed Jack]

Yoseful Mallad, on 16 April 2013 - 03:20 AM, said:

how about instead of correcting what you think I'm trying to say... Read what I'm saying and understand that I'm saying, anyone can buy the standard 5N with MC now if they want to. OR they can buy this Champion 5N at twice as much MC and all you're getting out of it is a 5% XP boost. It's not worth it.

I understand what you're saying perfectly. You're saying that Champions are not worth it, largely because they cost twice as much as the regular, and I'm pointing out that, according to the Creative Director Update, they don't. They are, in point of fact, cheaper. Therefore, your reading comprehension is **** and your entire blowhard argument is the same.

Kyynele, on 16 April 2013 - 04:46 AM, said:

You do realize that the 'lower MC price point' obviously is compared to Hero Mechs (mentioned in the beginning of the paragraph) that are a lot more expensive than standard variants. The champion will not be cheaper than a regular 5N.

It's obviously compared to the Hero mechs that are mentioned absolutely nowhere in the paragraph? Again, I bring up reading comprehension. You do realize that Hero (which can be bought for ) and Founders mechs (which cannot be bought for at any price) are not the same, no? Oh... no... I see.....

[Ransack]

Yoseful Mallad, on 15 April 2013 - 06:42 PM, said:

The thing i think is funny is why not just come out and say "hey guys we have an idea on how to add in custom community created mechs that we want to call Champion mechs that will have a small XP boost." And come right out and explain how and why you want to add something like this. No... They go the trial mech rought... Have us vote on a winner and then use the new player base as a defining factor on if they like it or not to than say TADA! It's your Champion mech lol. Just skip the whole trial mech ploy and tell us what you're intending instead of sneaking it in like that lol.

And now even if new players liked it and wanted it because they got to use it as a trial mech, they can't use it anymore unless they buy it with real money? LMAO!!! Come on PGI... Stop it!

oh...

I hadn't thought of that. Perhaps it will remain a trial variant without the boost? If not, that's pretty messed up, funny and sad all at the same time.

[Jace Lancer]

They may not have even known themselves that they were going to do this to the trial contest winner.could have really been an after thought mid contest,etc.