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[Inkarnus]

Well for me i cant see why i should play atm any other sort of light mech wich doesnt utilise ecm
its to hard of an disadvantage
on top you get alot less earning and xp so where is the sense in playing lights atm except grinding matches after matches and stealth capping ?
before it was fair with getting the same money for a win as your team but now

Edited by Inkarnus, 14 April 2013 - 06:41 AM.

[ShadowbaneX]

Before this weekend, when I came up against ECM mechs, I thought they were OP and in need of balancing. Having picked up a Light (Spider-5D) this weekend, I can flat out state that ECM is overpowered. Running around the water area on Forest Colony with 6-8 mechs chancing me around, grazing my armour and internals with lasers, but not actually killing me for a couple of minutes is just insane.

They need to make it so that Streaks and LRMs can still target an ECM equipped mech if they've got line of sight. It won't make that much of a difference to LRMs at the moment because you can just outrun them anyway, but at least it would give Heavies and Assaults a hope in hell of dealing with Lights. As it is, they've got about a snowball's chance in hell if you catch them alone, which just isn't fair. My apologies to any and all Heavy and Assaults out there that had this happen to them.

Then they need to balance things in other ways so that you're still a useful productive member of your team as the biggest way to get points/xp/c-bills is damage done and the Lights, aren't good at that.

[Team Leader]

Dont take anything with machine guns. Jenner F is the best light. (If youre good, otherwise its the 3L still)

[Thundercles]

Spiders are awesome, but sadly don't hold a candle to the much-maligned Raven 3L. You wan't broken (with the current game conditions) try one of those. Faster, wonkier hitboxes, streaks for dealing with other lights... ECM to break other lights ECM protection or protect yourself... just a happy confluence of all of the gray-area equipment coming together.

[Roadbeer]

I know some jenner pilots that would like to have a word with the OP

[Willie Sauerland]

Roadbeer, on 14 April 2013 - 07:54 AM, said:

I know some jenner pilots that would like to have a word with the OP

My Commando 1B

with 2 ML

and 2 SRM4s,

would also like

to have a word...

[Xendojo]

Willie Sauerland, on 14 April 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

My Commando 1B

with 2 ML

and 2 SRM4s,

would also like

to have a word...

My RVN-4X with 2LL, SRM4, with max JJ and max engine would also like a word.

EDIT: It has 1.37 heat efficiency as well.

Edited by Xendojo, 14 April 2013 - 08:18 AM.

[Sand Lantern]

I kick total mech butt with my 6 ML Jenner. I know Garth runs one too (I'm actually using the same build he has http://mwo.smurfy-ne...fa4b2fd078f0d66)

Anyone who thinks that Anything but an ECM carrier is useless should try out this build (or a similar one w/ small lasers instead if you don't like the heat) and see just how great other lights can be.

Edited by Sand Lantern, 14 April 2013 - 08:42 AM.

[One Medic Army]

I guess I'm dreaming when I frag all those light mechs with well-aimed lasers...

[FunkyFritter]

ECM is dominant and streaks are really boring both to use and to fight. Aside from that lights feel like they're in a good place right now.

[Xendojo]

All light mechs are OP right now.

This will change(i hope) when collisions come back.

[MadPanda]

Light vs Medium/Heavy/Assault is balanced.

Light vs Light is unbalanced. The *** streak raven and to some extend but much less popular *** streak commando are problems. If you get one of them on your *** then you just die unless he is a total newb. Pilot skill doesn't matter when he is just hitting no-skill streaks at you.

[Targetloc]

I prefer my Jenner. Much higher damage output than a Raven. They only have a major advantage when they keep the fight on bumpy terrain where they're zipping up and down wildly, while their streaks stay on target.

And if it does look like you're not going to win the fight, just run off a cliff. When he follows you down, jump back up. "See you next fall!"

[Willie Sauerland]

MadPanda, on 14 April 2013 - 10:01 AM, said:

Light vs Medium/Heavy/Assault is balanced.

Light vs Light is unbalanced. The *** streak raven and to some extend but much less popular *** streak commando are problems. If you get one of them on your *** then you just die unless he is a total newb. Pilot skill doesn't matter when he is just hitting no-skill streaks at you.

What coward

puts streaks

on a light?

[Kay Oss]

Inkarnus, on 14 April 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

Well for me i cant see why i should play atm any other sort of light mech wich doesnt utilise ecm
its to hard of an disadvantage
on top you get alot less earning and xp so where is the sense in playing lights atm except grinding matches after matches and stealth capping ?
before it was fair with getting the same money for a win as your team but now

I used to feel that way at first, but honestly I have found that things have settled and aren't quite so bad. I love my Jenners without ECM even better than my Raven 3L. Even though I will often lose going toe-to-toe with my Jenner vs a 3L, I do much, MUCH better, with the Jenner overall.

When I play my 3L, I have met some skilled Jenner pilots that I just could not get a lock on and who kicked my butt or got away. I do feel that this is partly due to the fact that without ECM the Jenner is a bit better than a Raven, and do feel the non-ECM Ravens are lacking. However, I also have 3 different Cicada's and don't really find I do any better with the 3M than any of the the others since without ECM, I can carry 1 or 2 extra lasers and find this to work well with the Cicada.

Bottom Line: I feel that ECM is a poweful tool, but no longer feel that it is a game breaker. It could use a SLIGHT nerf or more counters, but that may be coming in the future.

[Smeghead87]

Xendojo, on 14 April 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

All light mechs are OP right now.

This will change(i hope) when collisions come back.

Collisions and ballistic host state rewind, then not even an ECM will save the poor light. I better master my jenners quickly

[stjobe]

Xendojo, on 14 April 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

All light mechs are OP right now.

This will change(i hope) when collisions come back.

You mean knockdowns. Collisions are in the game right now, knockdowns were taken out because they were broken and un-fun.

[Xendojo]

stjobe, on 14 April 2013 - 11:18 AM, said:

You mean knockdowns. Collisions are in the game right now, knockdowns were taken out because they were broken and un-fun.

I stand corrected.

But knockdowns are the main way a light pilot is punished for bad driving.

[FupDup]

Xendojo, on 16 April 2013 - 06:55 AM, said:

I stand corrected.

But knockdowns are the main way a light pilot is punished for bad driving.

If they're really such bad drivers, wouldn't they be easy to just shoot to death instead of charging your Atlas across and open field at them and hoping to Kerensky that they don't press the "A" or "D" key on their keyboard?

Edited by FupDup, 16 April 2013 - 07:03 AM.

[Windsaw]

It is possible to run a light without ECM and streaks, but it is a voluntary disadvantage you are giving yourself.
In it, even if you are a bad pilot, you can still score kills.
If you are a good pilot, your K/D ratio will skyrocket.

That being said, with the exception of the introduction of the ECM/Streak combos all roles a light mech could play have been nerfed again and again to the point where the only reason to pilot one is personal preference. And they will continue to nerf them further.
It is not a rewarding job.