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[StryfeDiesel]

The New highlanders are not a viable option until the missiles get fix. They will be collecting dust right along with my DDC.

[Wingbreaker]

"Best"

Bwahahahaha.

[armyof1]

TruePoindexter, on 16 April 2013 - 10:29 AM, said:

Whoa hold on a second. We knew this going into it. All the lore Highlanders have had torso energy weapons.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Highlander

We knew that the Heavy Metal was unique because of its arm mounted energy over arm mounted missiles. Is this better or worse? Well it depends on the situation and how you look at it but you can't be indignant over this just now when we knew it already weeks ago.

Not really, we didn't get the entire picture since they add hardpoints. In Sarna you get 5 hardpoints mentioned for the different variants of Highlander, but the extra 2 was not confirmed where they would be. Now when we know for sure I find it all pretty disappointing.

[Neokenfu]

After looking at the hardpoints I'm pretty saddened. No energy slot on the other arm for the AC20 variant?!?!?!

I can only assume that this is an attempt to balance the AC20 cause you have some notion of how completely you've messed up missle balance in the game? People barely carry AMS anymore and in part because the new LRM pattern broke its effectiveness. Now that LRM's/SRM's are nerfed thats a pretty freaking useless gimp arm there.

Maybe you should add a violin item to the Highlander C's left arm so it can at least do something entertaining...firing missles is no longer that useful!

[armyof1]

I see a lot of laugh and scorn about me thinking Heavy Metal is the best, how about someone give me a reason why my opinion is wrong?

[Amsro]

armyof1, on 16 April 2013 - 10:30 AM, said:

Splitting up missiles between arm and torso is really bad, when you could have 3 LL in the arm on the Heavy Metal. I really don't see a single CBill Highlander being equal to the Heavy Metal.

I think you will find that all 4 of the cbill highlanders will be great

[Sadistic Savior]

Budor, on 16 April 2013 - 10:18 AM, said:

Yet its pink.

Exactly. That alone balances everything else. Versatility has it's price.

[MrPenguin]

armyof1, on 16 April 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

give me a reason why my opinion is wrong?

Its an opinion. What you're asking for is impossible.

Edited by MrPenguin, 16 April 2013 - 10:37 AM.

[Sadistic Savior]

Amsro, on 16 April 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

I think you will find that all 4 of the cbill highlanders will be great

I am buying the AC/20 one tonight. I can't mount an AC/20 on my hideous pink Heavy Metal.

[armyof1]

Amsro, on 16 April 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

I think you will find that all 4 of the cbill highlanders will be great

Well since you made such insightful points to why you think that, I guess I can only agree with you

MrPenguin, on 16 April 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

Its an opinion. What you're asking for is impossible.

Not at all, everything is based on opinion. If you have any good reasons to say why Highlander X is better than Heavy Metal, then let me hear it.

Edited by armyof1, 16 April 2013 - 10:41 AM.

[Ransack]

Hmmm. that doesn't make me chappy since I keep "hearing" that the Heavy Metal is awful no matter how configured (This is what I see in chat. I have no clue as to the accuracy). I guess I'll have to wait for this patch to finish and see.

[OneEyed Jack]

Lucian Nostra, on 16 April 2013 - 10:31 AM, said:

My only complaint with the coming Highlanders isn't with the mechs themselves but with how PGI has messed up Artemis. I want to run a 732 with an LRM20+Artemis backed up with 2x SRM4s but I can't without burning the extra tonnage on Artemis that I don't want on them.

Dunno why PGI still hasn't fixed Artemis to have 2 upgrade categories, one for LRMs, one for SRMs each costing half as much as the current Artemis price

Because Artemis is all-or-nothing and always 1 ton per launcher. Always has been. That wouldn't be a "fix," it would be a change.

[Neokenfu]

armyof1, on 16 April 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

I see a lot of laugh and scorn about me thinking Heavy Metal is the best, how about someone give me a reason why my opinion is wrong?

1 HP Gauss rifle(hard to brawl with)
Your f*cking pink

No way any variant is better at sniping than the Hero. I can see the AC20 version being servicable in-spite of its missle handicaps for brawling. It's hard points are rather frustrating where the DDC's points are quite intuitive though.

[MrPenguin]

armyof1, on 16 April 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

Not at all, everything is based on opinion.

Um, no? Do you understand what the word "facts" mean? Do you understand that an argument involving opinions is one of the dumbest thing you can do because opinions aren't facts and are purely individual notes of there own perspective while not putting into account facts?

You either don't understand what an opinion is, or you think you can pass your opinions as facts.



Also, I must note. Its not up to us to disprove you by bringing up facts, its YOUR job to give us facts as to why you think you're correct. Which you didn't do, because you just confirmed to me that your OP was pure opinion. None of it based off facts.

Edited by MrPenguin, 16 April 2013 - 10:43 AM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Ransack, on 16 April 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

Hmmm. that doesn't make me chappy since I keep "hearing" that the Heavy Metal is awful no matter how configured (This is what I see in chat. I have no clue as to the accuracy). I guess I'll have to wait for this patch to finish and see.

the HVM is not awful, it's good, it does not pack as much alpha as other assaults, but it can take a beating and is good at jump sniping.

[Deathlike]

armyof1, on 16 April 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

I see a lot of laugh and scorn about me thinking Heavy Metal is the best, how about someone give me a reason why my opinion is wrong?

Considering the RT of the Highlander may be the next oversized "hunchy" target, I could be wrong. The HM is still not that great IMO as a Highlander, despite being the "best variant".

Edited by Deathlike, 16 April 2013 - 10:44 AM.

[Royalewithcheese]

3(ER?)PPC > 3LL if you're a poptart.

[Roadbeer]

OP, I think you're approaching this with a tainted view of the current meta.

If missiles were the king of the battlefield that they were a month ago, you would be arguing that the HM was crap because of it's limited missile hard points.

Looking at the hardpoints, with the mindset of eventually all things being equal, the 5 different variants, are fairly equal. Each having it's role to play.

[Mersh21]

you could make a case for any variant of any mech being better than the others in its class.

quit bitching holy hell, heavy metals have been running around for weeks, I own one with er ppc's and a gauss and I do maaayyyyybbee half as much damage as i do in my atlas.

If half of you spent a fraction of the time playing that you did bitching about every single little thing in this game, you would be so good that you could dominate in any mech you got into even if it only had one hardpoint.

play or leave its that simple. Its abundantly clear that people that make huge senseless whining posts about something they don't like won't gain any traction at all.

Like roadbeer said, you guys just latch on to whatever it is you dont like about the game and swear up and down that you refuse to play unless its fashioned to your liking.

If the cbill highlanders had better hardpoints than the heavy metal and you bought a heavy metal came out, this thread be all about how unfair it is. like i said, i have a heavy metal and i dont even use the 3 energy harpoints because 2 ppc's is better than 3 of anything else. and to have the xl engine to have the tonnage for the ppc's and a gauss, limits you in space in heatsinks and ammo. I and anyone else that cared to try before cry could make any variant as powerful if not more than the heavy metal if they actually cared to attempt it

It is DEFINITELY NOT P2W unless EVERYONE can get into it and kill the entire other team regardless of that pilots skill level.

Edited by Mersh21, 16 April 2013 - 10:55 AM.

[armyof1]

MrPenguin, on 16 April 2013 - 10:42 AM, said:

Um, no? Do you understand what the word "facts" mean? Do you understand that an argument involving opinions is one of the dumbest thing you can do because opinions aren't facts and are purely individual notes of there own perspective while not putting into account facts?

You either don't understand what an opinion is, or you think you can pass your opinions as facts.



Also, I must note. Its not up to us to disprove you by bringing up facts, its YOUR job to give us facts as to why you think you're correct. Which you didn't do, because you just confirmed to me that your OP was pure opinion. None of it based off facts.

Oh so you're saying I should collect data for thousands of matches and then not post about what I think before that? Then really we might as well shut down the whole forum. I mean really do you have something to say about the subject at hand or are you just looking to argue about arguing?