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[GODzillaGSPB]

And didn't we all laugh about the thought of a 90t poptard? Who would want that? And how could this even work, a big target like that?

Well...I just had a few couple games after the patch and I gotta say I'm almost at the point of throwing this game off the pc.

Boats, for the most part. Large lasers and ppcs everywhere. And the former joke, the Highlander with 2 ERPPC and 1 Gauss as a poptard among them.

This game has now officially become a parody of the name "MechWarrior". My personal thanks goes to all those who actively worked to ruin this game for the old fans, those who liked the books and the older games. You are the best!


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Edited by GODzillaGSPB, 16 April 2013 - 01:35 PM.

[FrDrake]

Play light mechs, nom poptards.

[Duncan Fisher]

This patch broke the game even more than the last patch. Unless you're a fan of jumpsniperwarrior online that is... but if it's what the majority wants, then how can you argue?

[GODzillaGSPB]

FrDrake, on 16 April 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

Play light mechs, nom poptards.

But I don't like light mechs. Plus many people already followed your suggestion, that's why groups of 4 lights per team are not as seldom a sight as one would think.

Am I an ***** for NOT running cheesebuilds? Probably. Why don't I change my Jagermech 6DD to a dual-ac20? Because I still want to play MechWarrior and NOT min-max-warrior.

[Eanwulf]

I love it when I see one of those big purple ******** slowly hauling its bulk up into the air and presenting me with a nice, gigantic, nearly stationary target. Sorry but I am just not seeing this as the dilemma the OP is making it out to be.

[Roadbeer]

Just played 10 matches, didn't see a single jump sniper, running great.

Sooo....

YMMV I guess

[Stormyblade]

I haven't seen poptards yet today, but I've only played in a couple matches. The new "patch flavor" seems to be PPCs and A/Cs - every match I've been in has had multiple 'mechs packing these on, including a match I was just in where a Raven had on ERPPC and one PPC. Now, everyone who thought that they were mediocre before can just stand back and fire and peel you apart because of the lack of delay in firing. Yes, yes, I know, use the terrain to my advantage...still...there's no skill involved in just getting the circle close, and clicking. Repeatedly. Ugh. Hating this patch thus far.

[BoydofZINJ]

Truth be said... he is hoping for EA's old MPBT 3025 - to come out still. I do too... where we all started off as light pilots and we had to earn our way to mediums and then earn our way to heavies and few people could earn their way into assaults. Then, you had to play STOCK 3025 variants. None of this customizable MWO, Mech 4, BS we have here?

I personally think the ability to customize their mechs has turned this game from great to ... @*#& (crap). Why? Its an ARMS race, literally. I buy a new 'mech. I will not play it until I earn an extra 1.5 million c-bills for Double Heat sinks. Most 'mechs also require Endo Steel as well... another 500K to a million down the drain.

If i was a noob, I would be too poor and new to understand that Double Heat Sinks are worth every c-bill and a "MUST HAVE" item. Likewise, most chassis require Endo Steel to be a "MUST HAVE" item. 'Mechs that have the ability to use ECM need those ECMs - they are a "MUST HAVE" if the mech can have them... they need to. Ever see an Atlas D-DC without ECM and you go @#*& me? Why?

Edited by Boydsan, 16 April 2013 - 01:43 PM.

[FrDrake]

GODzillaGSPB, on 16 April 2013 - 01:37 PM, said:

But I don't like light mechs. Plus many people already followed your suggestion, that's why groups of 4 lights per team are not as seldom a sight as one would think.

Am I an ***** for NOT running cheesebuilds? Probably. Why don't I change my Jagermech 6DD to a dual-ac20? Because I still want to play MechWarrior and NOT min-max-warrior.

Hmm yea I just saw in your sig you like the Hunchbacks, mediums are in a rough spot, not fast enough and not armored enough to survive either way. My k/d in my treb is pretty bad compared to all other classes.

[GODzillaGSPB]

Eanwulf, on 16 April 2013 - 01:38 PM, said:

I love it when I see one of those big purple ******** slowly hauling its bulk up into the air and presenting me with a nice, gigantic, nearly stationary target. Sorry but I am just not seeing this as the dilemma the OP is making it out to be.

Good morning!

The Highlander was added with the patch today. For everyone to get for CBills. It's not the rare hero mech anymore.

Plus the cheese is not just limited to the highlander. Like I said, in the matches I've played, almost everyone - and my team included - used large-laser or ppc-builds. And I among them, with the balanced build, the ***** who's not playing by the rules in order to win, win and win. -.-

[Shazarad]

Are we talking 8 mans or pug games?

I rarely ever see poptarts in pug games, and when I do, they are god-awfully terrible.

[BoydofZINJ]

Imagine a new player affording a Stalker - but not the "good weapons" so they get the cheap "SMALL LASERS" and place 6 small lasers into a stalker... how viable is that?

[GODzillaGSPB]

Shazarad, on 16 April 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

Are we talking 8 mans or pug games?

I rarely ever see poptarts in pug games, and when I do, they are god-awfully terrible.

I played with two friends. One was brand-new to the game. He instantly saw the "ugly", the "good" and "bad" hidden lol

What I'm also wondering about: Cheesebuilds, yes. But they were also playing them "by the rules". Being careful, shooting from cover etc. With ELO lowered and HIS ELO probablx somewhere pretty low...we got still presented with experienced players.

Working as itended? Or was it just our miserable gear? Yes, the other two are also among those MW-fans running around with mixed builds. As most of my friends. Too bad I guess...

[Bobdolemite]

I regularly run a "poptard" TBT-5J, one of the major weaknesses of the poptart tactic is positioning (the majority of the time your shooting once or twice from same spot) - outmaneuver them by getting your team to flank or just wait till they pop in the same spot and light up their CT.

Many matches I finish with only 285 or so dmg (not because I suck) but because the poptart thing scares teams into choke points or into the gaping maw of the enemy team, and then is killed shortly thereafter.

To combat poptarts do the following:

1.) Stay Calm

2.) Communicate with Team

3A.) Group Aim Them

or

3B.) Outflank and close range (this is especially true for the stalker boats which use PPC for heat and the smaller pops like the TBT5J

edit

3C.) Find cover - pop tarts can only hit you in certain areas so move to a spot with more cover and make them come to you.

If your team sucks then there never was any hope whether it was poptarts, ecm imbalance, ravens, (insert something thats high powered here)

Oh and all I do is PUG so its not a organized play thing (though that does make any advantage much stronger)

Edited by Bobdolemite, 16 April 2013 - 04:04 PM.

[PappySmurf]

I need to ask I have played 5-6 games since the patch and have made only 250k CB did they turn down the win/loss CB rate if they did why so I have to buy premium time if so I might quit it takes so long to get CB now.

[Wildman13]

The first thing I did with my Highlander was take out the JJ

[Tezcatli]

Boating PPCs becomes a thing. So people start trying to do the same. Then AC40 becomes a thing and people try that. When LRMs were head shotting. People tried that. Now it's the giant bunny hop with a PPC/Guass. And people are trying that. To each and every one of those, there were people taking to the streets with torches. Crying to the high heavens for salvation!

Some of it is subjective. Like saying it's Mechwarrior in name only. When I've heard people say boating was a thing in TT.

One player even wanted to play only stock equipment. He wanted entire mode to that. That is his perspective of what Mechwarrior should be.

Others want to get stomped by the clans. I don't quite understand it, perhaps they're masochists? Or just Clan players trying to trump up support for it.

Frankly it makes me sad for the devs having to sift through the bile of emotions. Just to get to the root of the claims and then decide on whether it warrants any changes.

[BoydofZINJ]

Against a good team pop tarts can become... pop ez wins. How? Most Pop tarts will pop (jump) in the same area... over and over and over again. If you notice a pop tart jumping... take note of his location. Then when you see his (or her) head start moving up - aim and fire. You have the advantage over the pop tart - NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. Why?

Simple, they have to move vertically enough to fire their weapons. You can easily see a pop tart's head a second or two before the pop tart is high enough to fire. So you have the advantage in firing at the mech and then hiding before the pop tart has the CHANCE to aim and fire at you. Of course, this assumes you are smart enough to remember where the pop tart jumped previously and fast enough to reach cover before they fire.

They Jump jet up - fire and hide before they reach the point of firing.


Then if you are really smart, aim for their legs - some pop tarts will jump jet too high and cause damage to their own legs. Enough damage and it will go BOOM!

[TexAce]

Stormyblade, on 16 April 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

I haven't seen poptards yet today, but I've only played in a couple matches. The new "patch flavor" seems to be PPCs and A/Cs - every match I've been in has had multiple 'mechs packing these on, including a match I was just in where a Raven had on ERPPC and one PPC. Now, everyone who thought that they were mediocre before can just stand back and fire and peel you apart because of the lack of delay in firing. Yes, yes, I know, use the terrain to my advantage...still...there's no skill involved in just getting the circle close, and clicking. Repeatedly. Ugh. Hating this patch thus far.

lol I seriously hope you are trolling.
Nerf aiming!

Actually nerf any skill!


lol

[Davers]

GODzillaGSPB, on 16 April 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

And didn't we all laugh about the thought of a 90t poptard? Who would want that? And how could this even work, a big target like that?

Well...I just had a few couple games after the patch and I gotta say I'm almost at the point of throwing this game off the pc.

Boats, for the most part. Large lasers and ppcs everywhere. And the former joke, the Highlander with 2 ERPPC and 1 Gauss as a poptard among them.

This game has now officially become a parody of the name "MechWarrior". My personal thanks goes to all those who actively worked to ruin this game for the old fans, those who liked the books and the older games. You are the best!


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You must mean the 3PPC+Gauss Highlander.

The simple fact is that the same builds that were effective in past games are effective here as well. Just shows you don't need 3rd person to have jump snipers everywhere. High alpha builds are the name of the game. Do I particularly like it myself? No. I think that my favorite class of mechs (mediums) have been really shafted by poor hard points (The Hunchback 4SP is the only Hunchback with symmetrical hardpoints, yet every Catapult has them) and a heat system/perfect accuracy that favors high alphas and punishes 'damage over time' builds.