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[ohtochooseaname]

Timuroslav, on 22 April 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

@Ohtochooseaname

Right so you turn the Jager into a Streak Cat?

Why not just get the the Catapult C1 then?
It has 300 armor and more laser slots
it just Does the Streaks Better OH Wait So does the Hunchback and the Trebuchet and the Awesome and the..
OH and it's Faster lol

The Hunchback 4J can mount those streaks and Has more Lasers AND is more maneuverable AND it has More Armor ! as well as having more flexible arms and being faster.

"I'm good with this build, therefore your argument is invalid"... Ya but that doesn't mean it's the best for the Mech though I do agree that Being good with a certain Weapon does reap it's own rewards.

TL;DR:Someone doesn't know their mechs >.>
If you're brawling in a Jager.....You're Gonna Have a Bad Time.

It's a streak cat with UAC5's! FFS, that was like 4 lines into the post. If you bother to make a case against someone's argument, it would be nice if you actually bothered to get the gist of it!

[Glo Worm]

Darius Deadeye, on 22 April 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

Funny you should say so, the CTF-2X is my favourite mech and the one I perform the best with.

AC20, 3 medium lasers, 2 streaks. Never (truly) fails me.

The CTF-4X however, I can't figure out.

Darius Deadeye, on 22 April 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

Funny you should say so, the CTF-2X is my favourite mech and the one I perform the best with.

AC20, 3 medium lasers, 2 streaks. Never (truly) fails me.

The CTF-4X however, I can't figure out.

Been getting a lot of love for the CTF-2X since I called it out. While I agree that it can pack the big weapons like a mini-assault, the reduced speed and armor necessary to do so is too much of a hindrance. There is nothing that this mech can do that an Atlas cannot do better.

Edited by Glo Worm, 22 April 2013 - 04:58 PM.

[Timuroslav]

ohtochooseaname, on 22 April 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

It's a streak cat with UAC5's! FFS, that was like 4 lines into the post. If you bother to make a case against someone's argument, it would be nice if you actually bothered to get the gist of it!

All I heard, was "I'M OFFENDED Rabble Rabble Rabble" XD and then Bandwagon, on the post that has picture because it's the only one people read? Heaven forbid I post my experience in response to the orignal poster. Didn't think my original comment was going to be a Jager landmine.

/writes a note Jager Pilots Very emotionally sensitive. Someone's looking to Argue.

*points and laughs....Runs for cover*
Streak Jager lawls lawls lawls

Edited by Timuroslav, 22 April 2013 - 05:14 PM.

[ohtochooseaname]

Timuroslav, on 22 April 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

All I heard, was "I'M OFFENDED Rabble Rabble Rabble" XD and then Bandwagon, on the post that has picture because it's the only one people read? Heaven forbid I post my experience in response to the orignal poster. Didn't think my original comment was going to be a Jager landmine.

/writes a note Jager Pilots Very emotionally sensitive. Someone's looking to Argue.

*points and laughs....Runs for cover*
Streak Jager lawls lawls lawls

Your reading comprehension has failed you so badly that you have been unable to successfully even reasonably discuss any points I have made. It is this, which is mildly irritating. My original post, in summary, was that you are doing it wrong because you've failed to actually use the variant for its uniqueness. Having failed to do so, your opinion as to its usefulness is worthless. The reason you get some responses back is that your comments are so ridiculous that it's like saying, on Dec 5th, that the Raven 3L is useless. It's so ridiculous that some people feel the need to comment.

You're the one making emotional rejoinders and generally engaging in asshattery by, what I hope for your sake, intentionally misconstruing and misrepresenting my posts. Note to self: those hating the JM6-A can't engage in logical discourse.

[ohtochooseaname]

Timuroslav, on 22 April 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

The Jager A
seriously, that mech gives me nightmares sometimes....
here's why:
You have Missile points on the Arms double lrms and the typical AC of your choosing
Effectively you are Long Range Glass Canon....No you say? I have SRMS?
good luck brawling because you only have rougly 250 armor A Hunchback is going to out brawl you AND Out run you.... All Srms You say? well THe Awesome can out run you has more armor and hardpoints and STILL Has room left for missiles, not to mention the Dragon can hit and run better.
ACK -40 is the build you result to macking the Jager A no less different from everybody else, While a viable Build everyone just BANZAI charges in it to get a 1:1 KDR not helping the team.

So you go back to Stock Lrms and a the double Auto canons of choosing. Again a nightmare because all they have to do is bum Rush you, and if you're relying on SRMS for close quarters you're dead anyway because other mediums and lights and heavies out maneuver you...
so....
WHY JAGER A?! WHY!? WHEN HBK-4J DOES IT BETTER?!

Timuroslav, on 22 April 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

@Ohtochooseaname

Right so you turn the Jager into a Streak Cat?

Why not just get the the Catapult C1 then?
It has 300 armor and more laser slots
it just Does the Streaks Better OH Wait So does the Hunchback and the Trebuchet and the Awesome and the..
OH and it's Faster lol

The Hunchback 4J can mount those streaks and Has more Lasers AND is more maneuverable AND it has More Armor ! as well as having more flexible arms and being faster.

"I'm good with this build, therefore your argument is invalid"... Ya but that doesn't mean it's the best for the Mech though I do agree that Being good with a certain Weapon does reap it's own rewards.

TL;DR:Someone doesn't know their mechs >.>
If you're brawling in a Jager.....You're Gonna Have a Bad Time.

Timuroslav, on 22 April 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

All I heard, was "I'M OFFENDED Rabble Rabble Rabble" XD and then Bandwagon, on the post that has picture because it's the only one people read? Heaven forbid I post my experience in response to the orignal poster. Didn't think my original comment was going to be a Jager landmine.

/writes a note Jager Pilots Very emotionally sensitive. Someone's looking to Argue.

*points and laughs....Runs for cover*
Streak Jager lawls lawls lawls

Trolling 101:

1. Make intentionally disingenuous post and sit back, waiting for people to reply. Check!
2. Reply to first person responding to troll post by intentionally missing the entire point of the post, with the plausible deniability of TL:DR. Check!
3. Misrepresent further helpful replies as emotionally offended responses and start hurling insults. Check!

I've successfully been trolled. Should have seen it coming.

Edited by ohtochooseaname, 22 April 2013 - 06:02 PM.

[Inappropriate1191]

Barghest Whelp, on 22 April 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

CTF 4X. I just don't get it.

MAXrobo, on 22 April 2013 - 11:17 AM, said:

That cataphract 2X! Why do you hate me so. I swear I tried 100+ builds with that over the course of mastering it and not one did I feel worked well. I love all the other cataphracts, its one of my favorite chassis, but the 2X just did not cooperate.

Glo Worm, on 22 April 2013 - 11:34 AM, said:

CTF-4x is all about the dual Gauss builds. I run 2x Gauss and 2x MG in mine (with max armor) and consistently score 400-600 damage. That said, it is still inferior to the Catapult or Jagermech designs for dual Gauss sniping due to the lower hardpoint layout. (The guns are mid-torso, not shoulder-height - means more exposure if sniping over ridges.)

The CTF-2x is worthless though.

The way to make the 'phract 4X any good, is to be a bit counterintuitive with it. I had a lot of fun running this joke build, a pure dakkamech, with a 255 engine, endosteel, DHS, 2 Med Pulse lasers, 2 Ultra-5s, SRM4, and 2 machine guns.
I was pleasantly surprised with the fact that I was getting kills at all, let alone that I was getting around 2-3 per game

Gaussphract is also a good way for it.

As for hate for the 2X, I dunno why people think it's bad. I just simply run it like a mini-Atlas. Keep the standard 280 engine, run DHS, Endosteel, 3 medium lasers, 2 SRM6, and, best of all, PACK A GOD.DAMN AC/20 IN DAT BI.TCH! OH YEAAAAH! It smashes through mechs like the Kool-Aid man.

HERE ON EPIC MECH TIME, WE MAKE, D!CKSM4SH3R!!!

Anyways, my most worthless mechs, were pretty much any Awesome that isn't the 9M. I have no idea why they even bothered with Awesomes that can't pack at least an XL 320 in them. Hell, even the 9M is hurting. If you're not running at least a 350 engine in it, don't bother.

Edited by Inappropriate1191, 22 April 2013 - 06:51 PM.

[Past]

The Mauler in Mechwarrior 4 i tried so very hard. So far so good in MWO got a decent build for everything i own.

[Selfish]

I'll throw in my lot with the JM6-A. The missile nerf hit it hard. I could see it as a mediocre ballistics boat with some decent missile backup, but that would be a tough sell even with the old hard-hitting missile values. It's just a boat that seems to require more tonnage than you can ever squeeze out of it, and is easier left to a regimen of pure ballistics. I tried variances of dual AC/10s, UAC/5s, AC/5s, AC/2s with SRMs/Tags+SSRMs/LRMs with both STD and XL engines. The arm placement is absolutely terrible for SRM convergence. SSRMs aren't bad but eat up an energy slot (one MLas = 1.5 SSRM launchers). Low end LRMs are just pure and utter crap. I'm sure there's a way to "make it work" but after a couple million in adjustments I just threw on dual AC/20's + 2x Mlas, and wrecked face with it to mastery.

[HankTheTank22]

All of the Dragons are like this for me. They never seem to do as well as I expect them to. I end up switching back to my CN9-A

The 4x seems to be a very polarizing mech, but I love mine with all its dual UAC5 glory.

[Zordicron]

Past, on 22 April 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

The Mauler in Mechwarrior 4 i tried so very hard. So far so good in MWO got a decent build for everything i own.

lol, I think they mean MWO, but good one!
Also, try ERMPL in arms, and a boat-ton of clan MG in all those ballistic slots. add some MG ammos, and then put Clan LRM in the missiles. or for more brawlaggedon, SSRM6. it is not that big alpha build like the rest of MW4 tends to be, but it wastes all those puny light mechs, most mediums, and obviously all vehicles in seconds. by the time you need mega firepower in the campaign you will have something bigger or badder. Unless you mean online play, in which case I dont know why u no triple gauss daishi like everyone else was.

[Past]

Yea Eldagore i meant online play and i really wanted to use it because i dont think the time i was playing i dont think i saw a single one fielded so i dont think i was alone in not getting it to work. Unless your talking about it working as a giant target in that sense it worked great.

[Toppins]

One Medic Army, on 22 April 2013 - 11:44 AM, said:

The only mech I have a KdR of less than 1 on: Trebuchet 7M.
It used to be good, back before the latest missile changes, but now it's got 3 missile slots, one in a NARC tube, and only 3 lasers which all get shot off with the arms.

Then there's the size of the thing...

DUDE! I love the 7M. 2xPPC, 3xSSRM, 300XL. Full skirmisher-mode. It's wonderful. SSRM's get around the NARC tube and the PPC arm works great for peaking out to your right and firing a shot as you run back into cover. I average 400 damage with a KDR over 2 since I switched to this build.

My biggest failure was the JR7-F. So bad. I blame the variant. It's not my fault.

[One Medic Army]

Toppins, on 22 April 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:

DUDE! I love the 7M. 2xPPC, 3xSSRM, 300XL. Full skirmisher-mode. It's wonderful. SSRM's get around the NARC tube and the PPC arm works great for peaking out to your right and firing a shot as you run back into cover. I average 400 damage with a KDR over 2 since I switched to this build.

My biggest failure was the JR7-F. So bad. I blame the variant. It's not my fault.

Jenner-F is arguably the most powerful Jenner at this point, but it needs really good aim and heat control.

[Sahoj]

Ilya !@#$@# Muromets and the Cataphract line: I loathe theee! (W/L Ratio is .44)

I've reconfigured DRG-Fang ten thousand times. Can't get the ***** magnet off the CT. (W/L Ratio is 1.2)

AWS-9M: You've got the XL385. Your heat is under control. You're an 85kph ASSAULT mech. (W/L Ratio is .8)

These three mechs have me furious at regular intervals. They're good and capable chassis that fit how I play the game but the competition at the Heavy and Assault weight classes of play leave little room for weakness.

I play slightly more in groups than I Pug. Is it not absurd that DRG-FANG is contributing to more wins?

[Sean von Steinike]

Although it was back in closed beta, it was the Centurion. I kept trying and trying to make it work for me but could never quite get it to perform. I may try again sometime because I like the way the mech looks.

[Voidcrafter]

My case really hurts, cause 'tis the Ilya Muromets the one I'm having troubles piloting.
Tryied with 3xUAC5s, tryied it with going dual Gauss and AC20s(which is kinda not my thing but I was desperate), PPC/gauss combo, and all other sorts of things...
I was having really great expectations for the mech, so great that I almost forgot, that expectations ALWAYS lead to dissapointment.
And yes - I have a technical explanation why I can't like it, but still that doesn't soften the outcome. Not one bit.

[Leetskeet]

Everything that I can't put 40+ damage PPC/Gauss alphas onto.

Fun game

[Tenzek]

JohanssenJr, on 22 April 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

The entire cataphract line. I just couldn't stand it.

Same here.

Their arms are so low set that it's hard to use cover and shoot back. I do like seeing CTF on the enemy team for the same reason. I know they have to expose themselves more than most mechs to shoot, and their profile is so big.

Only the Awesome is worse in that regard, in my opinion.

[One Medic Army]

Tenzek, on 23 April 2013 - 01:01 AM, said:

Same here.

Their arms are so low set that it's hard to use cover and shoot back. I do like seeing CTF on the enemy team for the same reason. I know they have to expose themselves more than most mechs to shoot, and their profile is so big.

Only the Awesome is worse in that regard, in my opinion.

Watch out for PPC phracts then, their shoulder energy hardpoints are quite high mounted. Of course most people seem to need to peek all the way up, just to use a ballistic or an arm mount in addition...

[Laserkid]

Timuroslav, on 22 April 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

WHY JAGER A?! WHY!? WHEN HBK-4J DOES IT BETTER?!

2 AC10s, 4 SSRM2s, 2 Med lasers...have fun!