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[Klaus]

Shively, on 22 April 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:

Spacebar, left-click. Spacebar, left-click. Spacebar, left-click. Spacebar, left-click. Spacebar, left click.

Sometimes I right click and hold shift.

[Bishop Steiner]

OneEyed Jack, on 23 April 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

Yeah.. see I'm not dumb enough to go at them if I can't get to them. I just go around and make them move. You see, tactics, real tactics, not this silly-arse pop-tarting crap, are about making the enemy fight on your terms. Not going and meeting them on theirs.

I'm not parroting anything. I know how to avoid it. The people I'm playing with know how to avoid it (mostly). The people I'm playing against know how to avoid it if I try it on them (mostly). Honestly, I'd make videos if my rig would do it with a decent frame rate (sorry, I have higher priorities than dropping the dough on a gaming rig, atm), but all I can offer at the moment is that with my admittedly mediocre skills and a rig that runs at frame-rates most of you would probably consider unplayable, I still have no serious issues with pop-tarts. Sure, I've died to them. I've died to pretty much everything, at one time or another. But the only time I consider them to be a real issue is on those occasions when I get saddled with a team that wants to re-enact the Charge of the Light Brigade.

BTW, I'm not a pop-tart. I do have 4 HGN's (HM, 732,733,733C), all with JJs. And I do take some jump-shots, but I've never considered it a very good tactic, and only do it in lieu of edging in and out of cover, like other mechs, while waiting for the battle to develop or looking for an opening. I'm generally in the think of the fight, so don't try to lump me in with those stat-padders trying to preserve their KDR. Even my 733 (currently configured as a sniper) is generally moving, looking for a good firing lane to lay down a barrage, rather than take pot-shots.

My understanding is that Kong is considered one of the better corps, but I submit, sir, that months of PUG-stomping has greatly inflated your ego and caused your tactical abilities to wither on the vine.

Not to mention some of us can hit Poptarts almost the moment they peek over a ridge. I find that my Jump Sniping is almost always when I am on the move and closing from cover to cover.

But then, neither you or I are "leet" Pro-Gamers, apparently, because if we were we would stay static behind a ridge and pop tart.

Cyb3rPr1m3, on 23 April 2013 - 02:44 AM, said:

I enjoy my Highlanders....

I'm far far far from the best pilot, but I enjoy them. I've parked my other favorite mech's (Raven/Dragon) to play on this one for a bit.

You sir, seem to actually get the point of playing a game. Therefore by Leet logic, you must be doing it wrong!

[Joseph Mallan]

Bishop Steiner, on 23 April 2013 - 04:50 AM, said:

You sir, seem to actually get the point of playing a game. Therefore by Leet logic, you must be doing it wrong!

I have a Highlander that doesn't even Jump!

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 23 April 2013 - 04:53 AM, said:

I have a Highlander that doesn't even Jump!

that makes my head hurt..........

[Yokaiko]

Joseph Mallan, on 23 April 2013 - 04:53 AM, said:

I have a Highlander that doesn't even Jump!

I even jump around with my two brawler highlanders, altases don't hit nearly as hard when your CT is over their torso angle.

[Silentium]

I might give one a go, but I suck in assaults.

[DeadlyNerd]

OneEyed Jack, on 23 April 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

Yeah.. see I'm not dumb enough to go at them if I can't get to them. I just go around and make them move. You see, tactics, real tactics, not this silly-arse pop-tarting crap, are about making the enemy fight on your terms. Not going and meeting them on theirs.

I'm not parroting anything. I know how to avoid it. The people I'm playing with know how to avoid it (mostly). The people I'm playing against know how to avoid it if I try it on them (mostly). Honestly, I'd make videos if my rig would do it with a decent frame rate (sorry, I have higher priorities than dropping the dough on a gaming rig, atm), but all I can offer at the moment is that with my admittedly mediocre skills and a rig that runs at frame-rates most of you would probably consider unplayable, I still have no serious issues with pop-tarts. Sure, I've died to them. I've died to pretty much everything, at one time or another. But the only time I consider them to be a real issue is on those occasions when I get saddled with a team that wants to re-enact the Charge of the Light Brigade.

BTW, I'm not a pop-tart. I do have 4 HGN's (HM, 732,733,733C), all with JJs. And I do take some jump-shots, but I've never considered it a very good tactic, and only do it in lieu of edging in and out of cover, like other mechs, while waiting for the battle to develop or looking for an opening. I'm generally in the think of the fight, so don't try to lump me in with those stat-padders trying to preserve their KDR. Even my 733 (currently configured as a sniper) is generally moving, looking for a good firing lane to lay down a barrage, rather than take pot-shots.

My understanding is that Kong is considered one of the better corps, but I submit, sir, that months of PUG-stomping has greatly inflated your ego and caused your tactical abilities to wither on the vine.

So if everyone competent knows how to avoid poptards and that your tactic of flanking at 60kph is so perfect, why do I see 3-5 of them each game? If the tactic is so perfect they should all have just reverted to balanced builds by now.

Yes, the argument of "flanking" and "using tactics" against someone who can jump above the line of his cover to shoot at you as he follows you with his aim, since there's always someone outside his cover to give info, is so worn out that they're using it in p o r n industry as a c l i t benchmark for female p0rnstars.

Who's "lumping" you with all the poptards? Unless, of course, you feel like you should be "lumped in". Well do you?

Oh yes,you'll now make a retort about using a medium mech. Sorry to burst your bubble but I've more than often seen trebs, the fastest 50 tonners, 1shot by poptarts as they tried to "flank" them. Cicada tried to go back over the ridge, guess who killed it. That's right, a 45 pinpoint damage poptart!

The game's broken as the guy, whom you are so badly failing to prove wrong, said. Go on, make another pointless and worn out argument on tactics for a game that (d)evolved from facerolling brawl to 2 button poptarting.

Edited by DeadlyNerd, 23 April 2013 - 05:23 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Bishop Steiner, on 23 April 2013 - 04:57 AM, said:

that makes my head hurt..........

Thinks of it as a Cyclops. It hurts less!

[Yokaiko]

DeadlyNerd, on 23 April 2013 - 05:21 AM, said:

So if everyone competent knows how to avoid poptards and that your tactic of flanking at 60kph is so perfect, why do I see 3-5 of them each game? If the tactic is so perfect they should all have just reverted to balanced builds by now.

Yes, the argument of "flanking" and "using tactics" against someone who can jump above the line of his cover to shoot at you as he follows you with his aim, since there's always someone outside his cover to give info, is so worn out that they're using it in p o r n industry as a c l i t benchmark for female p0rnstars.

Who's "lumping" you with all the poptards? Unless, of course, you feel like you should be "lumped in". Well do you?

Oh yes,you'll now make a retort about using a medium mech. Sorry to burst your bubble but I've more than often seen trebs, the fastest 50 tonners, 1shot by poptarts as they tried to "flank" them. Cicada tried to go back over the ridge, guess who killed it. That's right, a 45 pinpoint damage poptart!

The game's broken as the guy, whom you are so badly failing to prove wrong, said. Go on, make another pointless and worn out argument on tactics for a game that (d)evolved from facerolling brawl to 2 button poptarting.

Yeah if a Treb is getting one shotted his armor was hosed, there is no where fatal that would fall of from 45 points..assuming max armor, and not running max on a 50 ton mech with an XL is a terrible idea.

Edited by Yokaiko, 23 April 2013 - 05:27 AM.

[Klaus]

DeadlyNerd, on 23 April 2013 - 05:21 AM, said:

So if everyone competent knows how to avoid poptards and that your tactic of flanking at 60kph is so perfect, why do I see 3-5 of them each game? If the tactic is so perfect they should all have just reverted to balanced builds by now.

Yup.

A good poptart-squad snipes off base unless it's desert. Anyone who says flanking or capping is the answer is at toilet bowl elo against poptarts that can't even keep track of enemy movement.

Even if it is desert:

[General Taskeen]

Hey look Streaks in the OP. Those are so hard to use.

Edited by General Taskeen, 23 April 2013 - 05:28 AM.

[TheUncle]

I would use it instantly if i had money. But I probably have to grind for another month to afford one, and just buying a Hunchback is something i can look forward to in a much shorter amount of time

[MeiSooHaityu]

BitMonger505, on 22 April 2013 - 08:58 PM, said:

... So I ask, why isn't every match just a bunch of highlanders beating the snot out of each other.

Because it is an Assault Class Just not a fan

[KableGuy]

l33tworks, on 22 April 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

Wow you missed almost every single gauss shot you fired even the easy ones where the enemy was under 100m in front of you and standing still.

Also I don't know how nobody shot your CT almost the entire way lol.

If that was me playing like that I'd be dead within 2 seconds of popping over the first hill.

I counted, of the 20 Gauss shots fired, 12 hit, and EVERY shot I took was an alpha strike, sometimes I don't care if a particular weapon system hits when alpha striking,

[Klaus]

BitMonger505, on 23 April 2013 - 05:46 AM, said:

I counted, of the 20 Gauss shots fired, 12 hit, and EVERY shot I took was an alpha strike, sometimes I don't care if a particular weapon system hits when alpha striking,

Coming from someone in a 733 so they can have an extra streak launcher and shooting them at over 270m...

[Shively]

Sean von Steinike, on 23 April 2013 - 01:36 AM, said:

And you a part of the darn problem then. Don't friggen play one if it is so painful to you. No one forces you to. Your own darn fault and others of your ilk. "Oh, but I might loose then" So what. So you loose, but you will at least add variety to your play.

I've been attempting to punish them through counter-sniping. As soon as SRMs get HSR of some sort, and damage set back to a reasonable level, I'm headed right back into the trenches. It won't put an end to the poptarting, but it'll leave 'mechs that manage to close the distance better-off when attempting to chew through Highlander armor

OneEyed Jack, on 23 April 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

My understanding is that Kong is considered one of the better corps, but I submit, sir, that months of PUG-stomping has greatly inflated your ego and caused your tactical abilities to wither on the vine.

Kong is a free-association of PUGs itself. It's hardly a corp at all, and I'll fight to the death it's recognition as one of the "better corps." More of an anarcho-syndicalist commune, if anything at all.

Interestingly enough, you ignored the meat of my post, and simply handwaved it away. Figures. I guess I don't really have much else to say here, as apparently, nor do you.

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 23 April 2013 - 05:24 AM, said:

Thinks of it as a Cyclops. It hurts less!

Or an underfed, wimpy Atlas?

[Shumabot]

I've seen 8 highlander vs 8 highlander games before.

OneEyed Jack, on 23 April 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

Yeah.. see I'm not dumb enough to go at them if I can't get to them. I just go around and make them move. You see, tactics, real tactics, not this silly-arse pop-tarting crap, are about making the enemy fight on your terms. Not going and meeting them on theirs.

I'm not parroting anything. I know how to avoid it. The people I'm playing with know how to avoid it (mostly). The people I'm playing against know how to avoid it if I try it on them (mostly). Honestly, I'd make videos if my rig would do it with a decent frame rate (sorry, I have higher priorities than dropping the dough on a gaming rig, atm), but all I can offer at the moment is that with my admittedly mediocre skills and a rig that runs at frame-rates most of you would probably consider unplayable, I still have no serious issues with pop-tarts. Sure, I've died to them. I've died to pretty much everything, at one time or another. But the only time I consider them to be a real issue is on those occasions when I get saddled with a team that wants to re-enact the Charge of the Light Brigade.

BTW, I'm not a pop-tart. I do have 4 HGN's (HM, 732,733,733C), all with JJs. And I do take some jump-shots, but I've never considered it a very good tactic, and only do it in lieu of edging in and out of cover, like other mechs, while waiting for the battle to develop or looking for an opening. I'm generally in the think of the fight, so don't try to lump me in with those stat-padders trying to preserve their KDR. Even my 733 (currently configured as a sniper) is generally moving, looking for a good firing lane to lay down a barrage, rather than take pot-shots.

My understanding is that Kong is considered one of the better corps, but I submit, sir, that months of PUG-stomping has greatly inflated your ego and caused your tactical abilities to wither on the vine.

The winner of the assault contest is a kong member/affiliate FYI, maybe you should step up your game or stop talking about the upper end of the meta. Kongs going to have hard time being great at MWO these days though when it's all but quit the game as its flesh falls off its skin and the skeleton of mechwarrior digs its own grave with horrific game balance and a never ending bicycle chain of bugs that escape PGIs non existent testing process.

Edited by Shumabot, 23 April 2013 - 06:59 AM.

[Shumabot]

Klaus, on 23 April 2013 - 05:27 AM, said:

Yup.

A good poptart-squad snipes off base unless it's desert. Anyone who says flanking or capping is the answer is at toilet bowl elo against poptarts that can't even keep track of enemy movement.

Even if it is desert:

Most of the active posters on this forum are at toilet bowl elo levels. It fits, the NGNG guys are too, and Garth the community manager at a basic level doesn't understand the mathematical systems that underscore the game. It seems no one knows how to play this pile anymore bothers to talk to the community at large.

Edited by Shumabot, 23 April 2013 - 07:02 AM.

[Tarrasque]

Shively, on 23 April 2013 - 06:12 AM, said:

I've been attempting to punish them through counter-sniping. As soon as SRMs get HSR of some sort, and damage set back to a reasonable level, I'm headed right back into the trenches. It won't put an end to the poptarting, but it'll leave 'mechs that manage to close the distance better-off when attempting to chew through Highlander armor



Kong is a free-association of PUGs itself. It's hardly a corp at all, and I'll fight to the death it's recognition as one of the "better corps." More of an anarcho-syndicalist commune, if anything at all.

Interestingly enough, you ignored the meat of my post, and simply handwaved it away. Figures. I guess I don't really have much else to say here, as apparently, nor do you.

http://www.youtube.c...d&v=JvKIWjnEPNY