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[Royalewithcheese]

Because Mediums clearly are dominating the game and need nerfs

[Tennex]

this shoud really be in suggestion forum

[C E Dwyer]

Varnas, on 23 April 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:

And cicada is only 5 tons heavier than a jenner but almost twice the size.


YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT

Growth Hormone

[Aethos]

this thread is pointless, and ill conceived. Anyone that has played an Awesome knows how huge of a target it already is, Whereas the profile of the Centurion has numerous gaps and a thinness that can be hard to hit, especially when the thing is still alpha-ing you even though its lost both of its arms and both torsos.

truth: Centurions are still used in tournaments. Awesomes are not.

Too many medium pilots thinking they are front line brawlers.

Edited by Aethos, 23 April 2013 - 05:07 PM.

[IdolElite]

Jeager51, on 23 April 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

The Trebie and the Cent are as big as Awesomes so that Light pilots mistake them for Assault mechs and pew pew at them instead of the Larger mechs. That is how the Trebie and Cent are 'support' or 'escorts' for Assaults. Since there is no other thing a Medium can do that another Mech doesn't do better (and only one can poptart), the Devs came up with this size thing to give you a reason to use them. When grinding for C-bills you can get blown up faster, and get to a new match super quick in a medium unlike an assault that has all that armor and weaponry, or a light that is small enough to use cover while it runs.

I'm hoping that was sarcasm, i often finish first and if not first than in the top 3 of my team when i run my centurion, and my buddy who runs hunchies finishes extremely competitively as well. The extra mobility of mediums tacked on with a decent weapons loadout and you can be extremely competitive. Obviously your damage ceiling isn't as high as that of other heavier mechs however you do tend to live longer in tough spots which counts for a lot.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Considering the Treb is an LRM support mech, extra height gives it more opportunity to launch LRMS over buildings and such. Since the Cent is supposed to work with and protect the treb it's extra wide so it can act as a shield.

That's my theory anyways.

[Artgathan]

Suprentus, on 23 April 2013 - 12:04 PM, said:

I was actually going to do a few pixel measurements, myself, based on your own sig. Really though, 60 tons/50 tons is not that much of a discrepancy. It's not like the in-game models are scientifically measured or anything, but it's really clear that the Centurion is undoubtedly smaller than the Awesome.

A 50 -> 60 increase is a 20% increase - that's a large discrepancy.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

Endo-pump.

Ask any mechwarrioress, bigger is better. You may only have a 50 ton cockpit, but with endo-pump you can make it look like 80 tons.

[disclaimer: may result in premature ejection, high heat, jump jet fatigue, and UAC jam. If you mech remains erect for more than 4 hours please contact tech support as this could indicate a serious damage to third leg actuators]

[Ocilfa]

Makes me curious how the 45-ton Blackjack will fit in...

[Loler skates]

IdolElite, on 23 April 2013 - 05:06 PM, said:

I'm hoping that was sarcasm, i often finish first and if not first than in the top 3 of my team when i run my centurion, and my buddy who runs hunchies finishes extremely competitively as well. The extra mobility of mediums tacked on with a decent weapons loadout and you can be extremely competitive. Obviously your damage ceiling isn't as high as that of other heavier mechs however you do tend to live longer in tough spots which counts for a lot.

elo is elow.

[Ialti]

Tennex, on 23 April 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

There is a 30 ton difference between the two medium mechs and the assault mech.

Why are they the same size?

Solid. Lead. Boots.

[Inyc]

I actually have a hard time telling Highlanders and Trebuchets apart at a distance... They're almost the same size and have very similar models, and they both jumpjet.

Yet one is 40 tons heavier than the other.

[TehSBGX]

Mediums do need a size reduction. Mech Assault 2 had better scaling. Yeah I went there.

[LordDante]

Wrenchfarm, on 23 April 2013 - 10:48 AM, said:

Indeed. I would love it if my Cents and Awesomes shrank 10-15% down in size, for goodness sake, the Cent is supposed to be an agile middle-weight fighter, not a stocky huge target.

I remember hearing there was some reason they couldn't easily adjust the size (ruin on the textures or something?) but then they started shrinking mechs down to Hula girl size so I'm wondering if this is still the case.


The Treb (50 ton support mech) is just as tall as an Atlas (100 ton doom-bringer). I think it's safe to say they got the scale a little wrong.

maybe the Atlas has heavier bones ??

[Varnas]

[Alex Wolfe]

Zakie Chan, on 23 April 2013 - 12:15 PM, said:

Would Love to see the Cent scaled back a bit. I feel that it is much to wide/blocky. Here is a quick edit I made using the images already in the topic. The ratios arent perfect, and I feel the suggested version came out too short, but the overall aspect is what I would like to see.




EDIT:: Included a comparison to the posted awesome pic, the picture was not the same size as the centurion stock, but i just filled in the border with black since it was quite close.

Just popping in to say I'm loving this.

Pretty please, PGI? With coolant on top ? The game is 5-8 assaults per side already, please throw the lower weight classes a bone or two?

Edited by Alex Wolfe, 24 April 2013 - 06:17 AM.

[Taemien]

The problem with the centurion specifically is the size of the arms. Not the rest of the mech. A friend I group with runs a Centurion as his main mech and does fine with it. As in winning a majority of the games with it and has done so since it was introduced. So I have no doubt his ELO is rather high with the mech. In addition I have yet to see a single mech in the game, of any weight class be able to consistently go toe to toe with him using that mech. Its always 3+ that take him down.

However his success is based on the fact that he uses a zombie design that doesn't utilize the hardpoints on the arms. They drop off too fast and instead he relies on SRM6s (even post nerf) and Medium Lasers to engage his foes. From his experience even with no weapons mounted on the arms, opponents still shoot for his arms.

If the arms were smaller in scale, they would be slightly harder to hit and may improve the chances of keeping a heavy ballistic weapon at the ready. But right now it appears as any large ballistic weapon is too vulnerable which can neuter a Centurion fast.

[ThunderHart]

Suprentus, on 23 April 2013 - 11:00 AM, said:

This really escapes you people? That's like asking why the girl on the right is as big as the girl on the left, and wondering why the left is heavier.



Now compare the Cent and Awesome.



It's really not hard to see why the Awesome's heavier.

I totally agree !!

[MeiSooHaityu]

Ryokens leap, on 23 April 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

The Stalker also seems to have shrunk in the wash.

That's what I have been saying. The Stalker should be at least 10% larger. The thing looks about the size of a Catapault (with a slightly larger CT).

[Keifomofutu]

Thontor, on 24 April 2013 - 08:31 AM, said:

I think the Stalker is fine, it's the Catapult that is too big.

BOTH AND frankly. Catapult should go down 10%. Stalker should go up at least 10%.