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[Tennex]

Why is the terbie/cent almost as big as the awesome?

There is a 30 ton difference between the two medium mechs and the assault mech.

Why are they almost the same size?


We saw from the performance of the 85 stalker during the tournament; winning by a good margin over 95-100 tonners.(and the poor performance of the awesome).That profile size plays a huge role in the performance of a mech. Because the stalker had such a high Damage/areaexposed ratio.


The already underplayed medium class does not need the handicap being as big of a target as a mech that can carry 30 tons more armaments than it.

The stalker is way too small for a 85 tonner:



(shout out to Ghogiel for enclosing the models so we are able to get accurate volume)

Scaling by tonnage in previous mechwarrior games

Mechcommander 2:

Spoiler

While these mechs do not line up perfectly linear, it is very easy to see that medium mechs are medium sized, small mechs are small sized, ect.

Mechwarrior Online

Edited by Tennex, 26 June 2015 - 02:52 PM.

[Neolisk]

Stalker does not have arm actuators - this is a major drawback from the other chassis you mentioned.

It does not need more nerfing.

[Tennex]

Neolisk, on 23 April 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

Stalker does not have arm actuators - this is a major drawback from the other chassis you mentioned.

It does not need more nerfing.

since it doesn't have arm actuators. its energy weapons (lasers/ppcs) are mounted at top. so it only needs to expose 1/5 of its body to damage over a hill while dishing out full damage.

Edited by Tennex, 23 April 2013 - 05:15 PM.

[General Taskeen]

Add Poll.

And Suggestion - PGI Should re-evaluate the size's of each Mech weight class. And fix troublesome hitbox Mechs.

[Tennex]

General Taskeen, on 23 April 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

Add Poll.

And Suggestion - PGI Should re-evaluate the size's of each Mech weight class. And fix troublesome hitbox Mechs.

done

[Peiper]

If they're going to look at those mechs, I'd add the Awesome to that list.

Actually, I'd look at shrinking the size of the Treb, Dragon and Awesome.

I'd leave the Stalker and Centurion alone.

So, I can't say yes or no in your vote. : /

Edited by Peiper, 23 April 2013 - 05:28 PM.

[Tennex]

Peiper, on 23 April 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

If they're going to look at those mechs, I'd add the Awesome to that list.

too small? too big?

[Nauht]

The dragon is as tall as an atlas and just as wide. It's definitely bulkier than a highlander.
The cat is bulkier visually than a stalker.
Cents I'm not too sure about - they're almost as tall as an atlas but the super skinny waistline and frame in general could make up for tonnage disparity.
Light mechs are good where they are IMO.

[Bishop Steiner]

Let's not leave the Catapult out of this, being massively oversized.

[Tennex]

Bishop Steiner, on 23 April 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

Let's not leave the Catapult out of this, being massively oversized.

yeah just asking the devs to open the floor for these changes. not specific to any mech

[Hellcat420]

tonnage is a measure of weight, not height or width.

[Bishop Steiner]

Mass has to go somewhere. All Mechs follow the same basic architecture. And the size does not increase exponentially with mass. Unless the Trebuchet is Hollow, it clearly would have to weigh massively more than a Hunchback, which is barely 2/3 the size.

[Voridan Atreides]

Yes. Ive never really been pleased with their size.

[Vrekgar]

Tennex, on 23 April 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

since it doesn't have arm actuators. its energy weapons (lasers/ppcs) are mounted at top. so it only needs to expose 1/5 of its body to damage over a hill while dishing out full damage.

It also has the worst possible torso twist range.

Its advantage is the favorable placement of weapons, that a resize wont fix, Along with the favorable number of weapon Slots.

[Tennex]

Vrekgar, on 23 April 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

It also has the worst possible torso twist range.

Its advantage is the favorable placement of weapons, that a resize wont fix, Along with the favorable number of weapon Slots.

yeah the torso twist is pretty bad. though the 3F has very good twist.

I don't think the Stalker needs any buffs. since it is a 80 ton mech that out preformed 95 and 100 ton mechs in the tournament.

the build used isn't even ridiculous or anyting. its just your run of the mill 4 PPC and 5 LLas builds.

as far as weapon slots go it has the same possible builds as most awesomes. it is only 5 tons more than an awesome yet the awesome did the worst in the toney by a large margin. Profile size definitely has play.

Edited by Tennex, 23 April 2013 - 06:33 PM.

[Keifomofutu]

Lights are much smaller than their actual volume for game balance. Just look at an atlas and commando. There is no way that commando has 25% of the volume of the atlas. Mediums need to be shrunk down in the same fashion as they have the same problems surviving that lights do.

It takes a single assault alpha and a medium's side torso is gone in one hit along with half or more of his firepower.

All other mediums should be roughly the same height and width that the hunchback is. It a much more balanced size.

Edited by Keifomofutu, 23 April 2013 - 07:18 PM.

[Straften]

Tennex, on 23 April 2013 - 06:31 PM, said:

yeah the torso twist is pretty bad. though the 3F has very good twist.

I don't think the Stalker needs any buffs. since it is a 80 ton mech that out preformed 95 and 100 ton mechs in the tournament.

the build used isn't even ridiculous or anyting. its just your run of the mill 4 PPC and 5 LLas builds.

as far as weapon slots go it has the same possible builds as most awesomes. it is only 5 tons more than an awesome yet the awesome did the worst in the toney by a large margin. Profile size definitely has play.

It's 85 tons.

[Brilig]

I would like to add the awesome to that list. It is broad side of a barn wide, and that hurts its survivability a lot.

[shabowie]

I've always thought the Centurion and Hunchback, and now probably the Trebuchet as well, should be shrunk by 10-15%. I think the Stalker is fine though. It isn't as tall and presents a small profile from the front, but is quit big from the side, and also very stocky in the legs. Awesome should have it's torso looked at for resizing, it's just absurdly huge.

Edited by shabowie, 23 April 2013 - 10:32 PM.

[KinLuu]

The lights are to small as well.