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[AnubiteGroove]

Please fix the 3L.

It's CT is so narrow, lasers are largely useless against one.

It's one of my mechs with the highest k:d.

1 light should not lead the scoreboards in 4:5 matches, regardless of the player (excluding total noobs, rambos).

I shot one with 8, count 'em, 8 ac20 rounds. It lived, it killed me, and it only sustained yellow armor damage, ONLY. It was like pre-hsr days.


I'm sure I could go into more detail, but I haven't the time.

[Keifomofutu]

Yup an ecm boat should not also be able to be a leading gunboat as well. I'd love to hear why pgi picked the best variant of every chassis but cicada as the ecm boat. What was their logic. "Lets make all these lesser chassis even worse?"

[Demoned]

Keifomofutu, on 26 April 2013 - 11:46 AM, said:

Yup an ecm boat should not also be able to be a leading gunboat as well. I'd love to hear why pgi picked the best variant of every chassis but cicada as the ecm boat. What was their logic. "Lets make all these lesser chassis even worse?"

i wouldnt say the 3L is the best, without the ECM what has it got
3 energy
2 missile points.
without the ECM its just a weak jenner and, the other ravens at least you can play with the builds somewhat lol

Edited by Demoned, 26 April 2013 - 11:50 AM.

[Keifomofutu]

Demoned, on 26 April 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

i wouldnt say the 3L is the best, without the ECM what has it got
3 energy
2 missile points.
without the ECM its just a weak jenner and, the other ravens at least you can play with the builds somewhat lol

It was the best raven before ecm. Lights don't want ballistics they want lightweight lasers and missile slots.

[Black Ivan]

Well said OP. The 3L is Raven needs some changes.

[DegeneratePervert]

Demoned, on 26 April 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

i wouldnt say the 3L is the best, without the ECM what has it got
3 energy
2 missile points.
without the ECM its just a weak jenner and, the other ravens at least you can play with the builds somewhat lol

the 3L is the best Raven chassis, even without ECM. It can still mount 2x SRM-6 racks and ruin your day. The weakest is probably the other one without JJs. Or possibly the one WITH JJs since Machine Guns are pointless.

[Joker Two]

Demoned, on 26 April 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

i wouldnt say the 3L is the best without the ECM what has it got
3 energy
2 missile points.
without the ECM its just a weak jenner and, the other ravens at least you can play with the builds somewhat lol

If you compare a RVN-3L to a JR7-D, the Raven is down one Energy Hardpoint, but can mount larger launchers in its Missile Hardpoints. The RVN-3L's max engine rating is also only 5 points lower than the Jenner's, because of the way max ratings are calculated. The Raven's profile is narrower, but the Jenner can mount Jump Jets. Without ECM, The Jenner is probably a little better.

When have you ever seen a -3L without ECM though? It comes standard for goodness sakes! There's nothing better you could replace it with.

[Corbon Zackery]

I did find a bug today in the mech lab that's helping the 3L 3 m.laser 2 streak package.

It seems that you can equip streaks with a fire control system for no weight increase what so ever. All you have to do is pay the 850,000 credits.

So the basic 3L model is 2 tons over weight!

Artemis Fire control cost 1 ton and takes up 1 crit space per missle launcher.

So the 3L is getting all the benefits of the Artemis system at no cost in weight or crit slots

This mech lab flaw would prove true for all streak builds.

[Keifomofutu]

Corbon Zackery, on 26 April 2013 - 12:13 PM, said:

I did find a bug today in the mech lab that's helping the 3L 3 m.laser 2 streak package.

It seems that you can equip streaks with a fire control system for no weight increase what so ever. All you have to do is pay the 850,000 credits.

So the basic 3L model is 2 tons over weight!

Artemis Fire control cost 1 ton and takes up 1 crit space per missle launcher.

So the 3L is getting all the benefits of the Artemis system at no cost in weight or crit slots

This mech lab flaw would prove true for all streak builds.

Artemis never costs weight or crits for any streaks. I'm not even sure artemis is supposed to benefit streaks at all.

[hammerreborn]

Fix streaks, 3Ls are fine. If they can't hit a Jenners CT while facing away from them they become fodder to the Jenners much higher alpha.

[Yokaiko]

Learn to shoot legs

[Keifomofutu]

Yokaiko, on 26 April 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

Learn to shoot legs

Incredibly skinny legs? Raven is a nightmare to hit all around.

[Lucian Nostra]

Demoned, on 26 April 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

i wouldnt say the 3L is the best, without the ECM what has it got
3 energy
2 missile points.
without the ECM its just a weak jenner and, the other ravens at least you can play with the builds somewhat lol

In the RAVEN line up it's the best Raven by far since it has a better max engine than the others. also vs Jenners, what others have said you lose 1 laser to get larger SRM launchers and only lack JJ. Not a bad trade.

I have seen 3Ls without ECM and they die hooorribly fast. Not because the pilots suck at driving or the 3L is bad minus ECM, but my GOD they draw fire like no tomarrow.

Edited by Lucian Nostra, 26 April 2013 - 12:26 PM.

[Yokaiko]

Keifomofutu, on 26 April 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:

Incredibly skinny legs? Raven is a nightmare to hit all around.

Have you played this game recently?

[Keifomofutu]

Yokaiko, on 26 April 2013 - 12:28 PM, said:

Have you played this game recently?

Have you? Raven's still run through the entire team with little ill effect. The ecm raven is basically an autolose if the enemy team brawls you right when the raven runs through your team.

[Corbon Zackery]

Keifomofutu, on 26 April 2013 - 12:19 PM, said:

Artemis never costs weight or crits for any streaks. I'm not even sure artemis is supposed to benefit streaks at all.

You get a faster lock time and increased hit percentage I just got out of a match were I put Artemis on a treb with 3 large lasers and 3 streaks I had 406 damage with 90% hit rate due to the faster lock on. So it does makes a difference and it pushes the weight of the Raven to 37 ton 2 points over its limit. This is true for all mech using streaks.

[Keifomofutu]

Corbon Zackery, on 26 April 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

You get a faster lock time and increased hit percentage I just got out of a match were I put Artemis on a treb with 3 large lasers and 3 streaks I had 406 damage with 90% hit rate due to the faster lock on. So it does makes a difference and it pushes the weight of the Raven to 37 ton 2 points over its limit. This is true for all mech using streaks.

As you say its basically a weightless upgrade.

[Zyllos]

That is because how PGI implemented LRMs/SSRMs. They use the exact same system for locking, so if you use Artemis, all it does is effect the locking mechanics, so SSRMs are effected because they lockon.

PGI needs to seperate the SSRM and LRM lockon mechanic so that they can pick what effects affect each type of weapon. Then you can also balance SSRMs by making them only lockon under 270m, lock on differently than LRMs, ect.

[Corbon Zackery]

Zyllos, on 26 April 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

That is because how PGI implemented LRMs/SSRMs. They use the exact same system for locking, so if you use Artemis, all it does is effect the locking mechanics, so SSRMs are effected because they lockon.

PGI needs to seperate the SSRM and LRM lockon mechanic so that they can pick what effects affect each type of weapon. Then you can also balance SSRMs by making them only lockon under 270m, lock on differently than LRMs, ect.

That's also why NARC beacons don't work with dumb fire SRM's. But still your getting all the benefits of the computer for $750,000 without the added tonnage of the separate computer system. Artemis cost 1 ton and 1 crit slot With streaks this is circumvented since all you have to do buy the upgrade in the mech lab. That's one reason why certain builds like the A1 streak cat, or the 3L raven are so powerful your getting free computers for your launchers.

[Profiteer]

I've hardly played my 3l since the BSR - it's a death trap.

I've been one shotting lights (including 3ls) with my AC40 Jager.

Haven't you noticed the lack of lights around these days?