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[Majorfatboy]

This sort of annoys Me. I've been waiting ages for something, anything in regards to controls, forcefeedback support, anything. Finally, two days ago I decided I'd just pick up a stick now. I mean hey, doesen't look like PGI's got any new info for us about supported control schemes, does it?

So, I dropped $270 on a Logitech g940.

Now you guys decide to not only release control info, but a custom, built just for Mechwarrior, control setup.
Assuming the price is reasonable, I'd have bought it.

Granted, I'm still happy I bought the g940, looks like a great (But quirky, by the reviews) hotas, but come on PGI, you coulden't have mentioned something about this a few months ago? Maybe give gamers a chance to save up for that big fancy stick, or at least give them a chance to hold off on other expensive computer perchases?

Artemis has given Me butthurt. I am displeased.

Edited by Majorfatboy, 05 June 2012 - 01:55 PM.

[Jasott]

If i wasn't a laptop PC gamer, and had some place to store it when im not using it, but my personal storage is very limited at the moment.

[GrizzlyViking]

I chose #2. I would have worded it like this:

2. I am interested and I will need to see the finished product before I make my final decision.

I like the concept and I think it offers some useful features as is. I expect as they develop the concept to completion it will add even more ease of use options that will benefit those players who have one. The Devs wouldn't take the time for this involved Artemis roll-out if they were not planning on making it something more than just your average after market joystick option.

So what about the naysayers? I suppose the naysayers were hoping to hear something more about when they were going to get a BETA invite or some new big details about the game that we didn't already have. Unrealistic or misplaced expectations tend to ruin a lot of things in people's lives. If you look at Artemis for what it is, a game controller that is specifically designed for MWO, then it is pretty cool. Given the current concept and if it is a quality stick that is reasonably priced, I would buy one. I am looking forward to seeing how Artemis turns out.

[DozyBugger]

No Need I still have my trusty SideWinder Precision Pro circa 1995

Edited by DozyBugger, 05 June 2012 - 02:04 PM.

[Dragon Lady]

Unfortunately, this is four days too late. I've already ordered a new HOTAS to replace my old ones, which are no longer compatible with my computer.

Besides, I already have a Razor keypad, and I really prefer to have a throttle for my left hand.

That MFD screen does look great, though. I'd be tempted to buy that if it was sold separately.

[Vodkavaiator]

I cannot say if I would buy the controller yet. I would like to see what price it ends up being sold at and also how reports are concerning reliability/quality.

The MFD screen as others have said is fancy, but everything else looks fairly standard or similar to several other HOTAS already available on the market today.

Edited by Vodkavaiator, 05 June 2012 - 02:10 PM.

[Deathz Jester]

Cant say yet, but leaning towards no since there's no cupholder.

[Chopstick Ninja]

I would pick it up depending on cost. I already planned on picking up a HOTAS for this game so this would be the next logical step in my mind.

[ajtwombly]

I definitely WANT to buy, but I need my money for food and rent. Not only that but there literally isn't space in my tiny-*** apartment for such an awesome piece of gaming goodness. Give it... let's say three years and I'll probably have one.

[MagnusEffect]

How can some of you people make a decision on buying something without knowing how much it will cost? I'm excited about the game too, but a peripheral?... that could very possibly cost >$250? That's just retarded.

Personally, I have to get a joystick anyway so I'm definitely in the market, but as cool as the middle screen is, if I can get a better deal for an equal product elsewhere, I will.

Edited by MagnusEffect, 05 June 2012 - 02:24 PM.

[levyne]

MagnusEffect, on 05 June 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

but a peripheral?... that could very possibly cost >$250? That's just retarded.

Please refer to Razor's general pricing scheme before insulting your fellow forum users' intelligence.
$250+ is being generous for something like this.

[Guru Zeb]

Glad to see by the poll the forum isn't taken in by this overpriced under functional gimmicky one trick pony (no offence Eridani Light Pony unit )

Personally am not even remotely impressed with this thing, here is why.
1st I don't see how this is any better than a traditional HOTAS, essentially it looks to me like nothing more than a flight stick plus a massively truncated keyboard, with a whatever 7" 8" 10" monitor stuck in the middle to get the folks in the cheap seats oh'ing and ah'ing.
It looks to me to have considerable less functionality (just based on what we see) compared to a range of new and 2nd hand HOTAS available.
How do you use it to steer?!?!?
I see what could be a dedicated throttle but where's the analogue steering come from???
Word to the clueless .... please don't bother saying "from the keypad"
Are you suppose to use the stick to steer as well as torso twist ?!?!?!
If so seems a long way from ideal to me, there is a reason actual high performance military controllers
very rarely mix controls systems into one controller ....... it doesn't work well especially when the pilot is freaking out due to
risk of imminent death.

Then there is the one trick pony issue once you've invested in this thing and ended up with an average flight stick+throttle a keypad with less buttons than the average NUM PAD has and a gimmicky screen. You probably get to realise you paid about the same as you could get a decent HOTAS for but the Arti is pretty much useless for anything else seriously flight stick related, and that the screens useless for almost anything else.

If it had a dedicated analogue control for steering i'd probably cautiously welcome it ......... but to be completely frank it just looks like a huge pile of GIMMICK to me.

Also as others have pointed out it has several of the hallmarks of other bad Razer products, obviously actual use is the only real test, but i just don't see much to get excited about ............
Unless your just an uncritical BT/MW fanboy .......... if so i have genuine BT cockpit fairies for sale 2 versions IS and Clan $50 each (in dollars as Brits too cynical and tight to buy quality little people) +$20 global postage, can do "Unit discount packs" thats 6 for $350 + $150 global postage (extra $100 gets your unit badge gold leaf embossed on the ponys butts), sorry for high postage but they are shipped from the land across the rainbow, import tax is a ******

[Majorfatboy]

Guru Zeb, on 05 June 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

Glad to see by the poll the forum isn't taken in by this overpriced under functional gimmicky one trick pony (no offence Eridani Light Pony unit )

None taken, rock on!

One question, What in the hell is a "BT cockpit Fairies" ?! Some kind of, uh, "Alternative lifestyle mechwarrior"?

[Insidious Johnson]

I can't find any technical specs for it. How many axis it handle? X, Y, Z, Rx, Ry? Buttons are 'mode' dependant, I did see that, kinda like built in "shift/alt/or ctrl" functions to multiply js functions. I hate joystick twist for control, and will not use it ever. Is it compatible with seperate units for throttle/rudder control? It is made by a corporation whose products fill youtube with problem or complaint videos. People were hoping for something on par with a logitech product. We'll have to wait and see what we got, now.

[Black Dragon EnDrakus]

Dragon Lady, on 05 June 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

Unfortunately, this is four days too late. I've already ordered a new HOTAS to replace my old ones, which are no longer compatible with my computer.

Besides, I already have a Razor keypad, and I really prefer to have a throttle for my left hand.

That MFD screen does look great, though. I'd be tempted to buy that if it was sold separately.

if you look closely, the keypad does have a little tab on the right side that could very likely be a thumb controlled throttle slider

[Blackfire1]

So let compare.
Razor Artemis:
Steel Battalion Xbox 2002:

Hawkens Controller:


Steel Battalion was a controller for the micro manager. Every twitch was hard coded for the game. Cool. But the lack of customization made things allowing. Plus the price tag and space needed to use it. However... you did get pedals.

Hawkens looks very form functional and streamlined. Due to less of a simulator there is no need for a throttle. However I like there are more button options and what looks like a min keyboard. Since This controller WILL be taking up the space of my keyboard. That is a requirement.

The Artemis... looks neat... but its lacking. I can get the same effect useing a FPS pad and a good logitech joystick. Heck the Sieyteck stuff has more buttons just on the controllers. ITs cool, but its lacking features that it needs to replace the area its taking up.

Edited by Blackfire1, 05 June 2012 - 03:05 PM.

[Frostiken]

That's not Hawken's controller, that's from Steel Battalion.

I believe you meant:

Edited by Frostiken, 05 June 2012 - 03:04 PM.

[neodym]

maybe,depending on quality and price.... if it dont cost over 150 euro I get it,its too basic,yes the LCD is extra but I am not
going to invest in it over 200euro no matter what

[Insidious Johnson]

Frostiken, on 05 June 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

That's not Hawken's controller, that's from Steel Battalion.

I believe you meant:

I hope THAT set up is compatible with MWO! Needs rudder pedals though.

[Frostiken]

HOWEVER...

1) Hawken is basically just an FPS with mech skins on things. Controlling a game as fast-paced as that (which is more akin to Quake than anything) with two joysticks seems beyond idiotic.

2) What's with all the switches in the middle? Looks cool, but are probably just decoration. I guarantee you there's nothing in Hawken that would warrant taking your hand off of one of the sticks and flipping switches in the middle. It's not DCS: A-10C, you're going to die a lot, so unless you have to reset all the switches every time you die, they probably do nothing.

3) The keyboard is a weaksauce rubber pad, which are notoriously impossible to use for typing with any speed or accuracy.

4) What's with the 'pilot name'? This tells me that this setup is a rare one-off production run for LAN machines or some sort of public appearance, not for consumers. Why would I want a glowing LED showing me my own name, constantly?