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So It's Confirmed. They Gave Heavy Metal The Best Hardpoints Of All Highlanders


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#1 armyof1

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:17 AM

Having read through the patch notes I paid extra attention to the hardpoints of the CBill Highlanders and it's pretty much as I suspected would happen. They made the Heavy Metal the most versatile mech with the best hardpoints. Let me explain why.

The main difference is the energy hardpoints. Heavy metal has 3 energy hardpoints in the left arm, which makes it really useful since you can both aim quicker with them and have a higher degree of firing angle both horisontally and vertically. This means whether you want to keep up with quick opponents or fire high up or far down you can do that well whether with PPCs or lasers in the arm. The Cbill Highlanders on the other hand have most of the energy hardpoints in the torso which will both be slower at aiming and fire at a really limited angle. There's one variant that has 2 energy in the arm, but for a huge downgrade of not having a single ballistic. When it comes to energy weapons not one, not two, but all of the CBill Highlanders suffer from less useful energy hardpoints.

Well that's the downside you think, surely there is a clear upside? Well not really. Instead of the really useful 3 energy hardpoints in the left arm of the Heavy Metal, on the CBill Highlanders we get one or two missile slots. That's it. The only missiles that really have any use of quick targetting using the arms are srms. so you get 2 srm6 in the left arm at most, and here comes the thing that s*cks. You get 1-2 more missile hardpoints in the torso to go with those in you arm. So on the Heavy metal you get all energy hardpoints focused on the arm reticle, letting you dish out focused damage by using the same weapons. But with the CBill Highlanders you get your missiles split between torso and arm reticles, making them effectively a lot harder to use. Want to use 3 Srm6? Sure you can, but you have to aim them with both the arm and the torso reticle. Sure you can torso lock but then you'd just lose out on the extra angle and speed of targetting with the arm, effectively losing the advantage of having the missiles in the arm in the first place.

Last but not least the one thing one of the CBill Highlanders can do that the Heavy Metal can't, the AC20. So what do you have to give up for that? Well you lose all torso twist speed advantage of having arms, so you're just going to have one reticle and when you're sweeping left/right to keep up with lights you're going to be as slow as if you had all torso weapons, like a Jager, But at least on a Jager I can carry 2 AC20!

So really the devs have made the MC only Heavy Metal the best Highlander, while the CBill versions all give up clearly more than they get back. If you don't believe me, look up the hardpoints of all Highlanders yourself, think of what you're giving up for the things you get when moving from Heavy Metal to the other Highlanders. I've thought about it quite a bit and I can't reach any other conclusion than that Heavy Metal is the best version of all Highlanders. Maybe you're ok with that, or maybe you're like me seeing how the devs have finally stopped trying to make the Hero mechs just different but instead opted to make them better than CBill variants. And I do wonder if this is the new business model for Hero mechs: pay to get the best variant.

Edited by armyof1, 16 April 2013 - 10:43 AM.


#2 Budor

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:18 AM

Yet its pink.

#3 OneManWar

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:19 AM

"Best".

#4 Jonathan Paine

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:22 AM

Funny, I looked at the AC20 variant and thought "look out DDC, there is a new sheriff in town". Boy will there be pie on my face later today as endless pink Heavy Metal fans destroy my useless mech over and over and over again.

Oh well, at least my mech will be blue!

#5 Oderint dum Metuant

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:23 AM

Perhaps, still 3 PPC/Gauss or 4PPC with JJ is pretty powerful and may outweigh the negative quirk aspects.
The cbill variants will bring bigger ranged punch, the HVM will bring better aiming ability.

The interesting thing about the 3ppc/gauss is that it presents the opportunity to only expose half your mech, and you also have a free side to soak damage.

Edited by DV McKenna, 16 April 2013 - 10:23 AM.


#6 Ngamok

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:23 AM

To be honest, the 733P with 4 energy and 3 missle will be pretty popular. I am getting one.

#7 Deathlike

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:24 AM

The HM is more "balanced" with respect to that the energy+ballistic hardpoints are separated.

All of the regulars Highlander actually suffer from having all the direct fire hardpoints (energy+ballistic) one torso and missiles on the other. The current state of missiles makes this an issue. If missile damage is corrected, then the Highlander would just be abused on either side of its torso assuming an "unbalanced" build.

My early prediction hints it may be somewhat DOA and/or be a premiere brawler for the time being.

#8 Tahribator

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:24 AM

What's disappointing for me is that Heavy Metal has the most jumpjets of all. I really like JJ's in my mechs and having the "best" variant for me behind a paywall is disappointing.

Edited by Tahribator, 16 April 2013 - 10:28 AM.


#9 M1N3CRAF7

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:24 AM

i to hate the hardpoints of the cbill highlanders, no symmetry

#10 armyof1

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:25 AM

View PostDV McKenna, on 16 April 2013 - 10:23 AM, said:

Perhaps, still 3 PPC/Gauss or 4PPC with JJ is pretty powerful and may outweigh the negative quirk aspects.
The cbill variants will bring bigger ranged punch, the HVM will bring better aiming ability.

The interesting thing about the 3ppc/gauss is that it presents the opportunity to only expose half your mech, and you also have a free side to soak damage.


You won't be able to aim more than 20 deg up or down due to them being torso mounted, so on a hill or in a valley you're going to be really limited.

#11 Budor

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:26 AM

HGN-HM has a marginally higher engine cap 330 and 1-2 (5) jumpjets more. :(

Edited by Budor, 16 April 2013 - 10:27 AM.


#12 80Bit

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:28 AM

View PostOneManWar, on 16 April 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

"Best".


See, he put that in quotes, because best is of course a subjective term in this case. Watch this:

Wow the 732 is the best Highlander variant. What a surprise! It will be able to rock three PPCs and a Gauss for max sniping power! To bad that gimp Hero Highlander has a hand actuator preventing it from doing the same.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:29 AM

Whoa hold on a second. We knew this going into it. All the lore Highlanders have had torso energy weapons.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Highlander

We knew that the Heavy Metal was unique because of its arm mounted energy over arm mounted missiles. Is this better or worse? Well it depends on the situation and how you look at it but you can't be indignant over this just now when we knew it already weeks ago.

Edited by TruePoindexter, 16 April 2013 - 10:29 AM.


#14 VagGR

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:29 AM

i didnt even read the whole post..but yeah..the highlander hardpoints are poor to say the least...and im not saying give it another ballistic on the LA if there is none in canon..but you could at least where it says 2 energy make it 3 or 4..give the damn thing some variation....its a 90 ton assault that can can hold 5 weapon systems...lame

#15 Khavi Vetali

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:30 AM

Disagree, the HGN-732 and HGN-733P are clearly superior to the hero version at sniping, with the ability to mount 3 PPCS and a Gauss, or 4 PPCS respectively. I would also say the 733C is on par with the HM for brawling, with the 733 being the clear loser. You also fail to note that the HM did not receive any of the variant quirks that the cbill versions received.

#16 Tie Ma

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:30 AM

i wouldn't say absolute best.

but it is a very good option for jump sniping. handy to have both gauss and PPC on arm reticles

#17 armyof1

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:30 AM

View PostM1N3CRAF7, on 16 April 2013 - 10:24 AM, said:

i to hate the hardpoints of the cbill highlanders, no symmetry


Splitting up missiles between arm and torso is really bad, when you could have 3 LL in the arm on the Heavy Metal. I really don't see a single CBill Highlander being equal to the Heavy Metal.

#18 MrPenguin

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:30 AM

I don't see how a subjective opinion confirms anything.

#19 Lucian Nostra

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:31 AM

My only complaint with the coming Highlanders isn't with the mechs themselves but with how PGI has messed up Artemis. I want to run a 732 with an LRM20+Artemis backed up with 2x SRM4s but I can't without burning the extra tonnage on Artemis that I don't want on them.

Dunno why PGI still hasn't fixed Artemis to have 2 upgrade categories, one for LRMs, one for SRMs each costing half as much as the current Artemis price

#20 Daenyathos

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:31 AM

I'm reading this and I'm feeling it's getting a bit nitpicky just to say it's P2W and complain. It's a new piece of content. Servers aren't even up (at this time of writing). Give it a week or two of actual use before calling P2W. The community hasn't been able to go over the new variants and build them how they see fit. Who knows? The HVM may fall to the popularity of the Pretty Baby.

Here's to hoping.



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