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[DCLXVI]

I was curious and had to record this guy. if you seriously try this hard you deserve to win lmao. reminiscent of bunny hopping in battlefield, I don't think jj shake or recticle shake would effect this guy much he'd adjust his aim, they need to make the recticle expand and reduce accuracy, otherwise fixes will hurt novice jumpers and people like koranese are going to have to try a tiny bit harder? XD (day one heavy winner)

[V1nt3r]

From this tournament ive learned:

*u have to be lucky not to get bug, not to get some lil light that tries to capture base, to get team that actually wants to fight enemy instead of avoiding it

*teamplay is usless, ur teamates serve as damage shields, help them only when its useful, the less they are the more kills and damage u are able to do

*steal kills, try to make the last hit on enemy 20 points is better than 10, its also very useful to walk in line of fire of ur teamate, mostly they wont shoot you and u have higher chances to get a kill

*block the retreat of ur teammates, remember the rule, they are only damage shields

*make troll builds, in every game there is jager with XL engine and 2xAC20, tactics doesnt win tournament, damage, steal kills, survival does

The knowledge i got in this tournament will sure be useful in future mechwarrior games and will sure make the community, gameplay and teamwork "nice"

With this tacticts i managed to score 895 points in day one in medium mech class, finished 13th, and only thing i got is i am sick and tired of mechwarrior for now and i am takng a break ^^

Edited by V1nt3r, 28 April 2013 - 02:13 AM.

[Ph30nix]

Koreanese, on 28 April 2013 - 01:01 AM, said:

tournaments are won by bypassing the system? do you know how many ******* games I had to play and damage I had to pull to get to the top? don't judge. I played with all the top leader boards in the games, and they do not exploit anything. they play good, put out high dmg, get lot of kills and they climb little by little to get to the top

i landed in two games with this guy one of the games he got about 800 damage and 4 kills the other was about 700 damage and 5 kills so his posts are legit.

[Inkarnus]

u his friend right?
there is no way in hell he doesnt get shot by 8 mechs .....
while trying to do 900 damage so he did probably strip 2 dsiconnects and stole the
rest fair competition i would say !!
and this is my personally opinion on all that score too unreal high
especially if a person is multiple time scoring highest in tourney since lucky is a diminishing return not a constant
on top me knowing alot of competitions of other games especially esl cal and so on
there is no top player who plays legit non

Edited by Inkarnus, 28 April 2013 - 05:03 AM.

[Varnas]

Tournaments are stoopid, end of story.

[Corvus Antaka]

Ph30nix, on 28 April 2013 - 03:05 AM, said:

i landed in two games with this guy one of the games he got about 800 damage and 4 kills the other was about 700 damage and 5 kills so his posts are legit.

Koreanese is good. No Doubt. As are others who top the leaderboards. I don't believe this is praiamrily due to sync dropping.

However, the tourney scoring remains flawed. capping returns no points, and is an important strategy. As we know from Bryans recent posts only 19% of games end in caps, so capwarrior isnt exactly happening. On conquest capping is even more important.

What I do know from my own 5-7 kill games, or games where I pull 6-8 assists is that to pull over 1000 in a light you need to cripple for those kind of points, killing alone will not cut it points wise. Heck, yesterday I killed 3 enemies from FRESH with a Raven 3L and ended the game with only 151 damage done. Now, I know 3 kills isnt leaderboard stuff, but I could have dropped 6 enemies with 300 damage, and still not touched the leaderboard, and THAT is imho a flawed pointing system.

I don't know the how, but PGI needs to factor headshots, kill efficiency & base captures to bring scoring inline with objective based gameplay.

The high scoring games that put me near the top 15 usually are the rare games, after 5,000 drops now you get a good sense what makes for top scores, and even matches where I've killed 6-7 guys in my atlas with the rest of team doing horrible damage (like no one above 100 dmg but me, I've still not pushed 1200 damage because with direct fire and good aim you'll kill stuff FAR before then.

Best score I have seen is 1500+ and that was back when we had LRM warrior, the clear "strip the entire mech and do tons of dmg" gun.

Take an erppc spider. headshot 7 guys on the other team to win. best aimbot pilot? probably. Will see top score? never.

This is a tricky question to resolve, hopefully PGI has some ideas to improve the system.

It's also really vital to completely cut solo players away from 4 man premades, esp with these tourneys, we should never see a premade when solo dropping in these tournaments.

[Varnas]

I think damage shouldn't have gone into the score. It just promotes spreading the damage all over the enemy to gain more points.
Instead they should award "Clean" kills. when you destroy someone with the minimal amount of damage. Headshots, rear-coring etc.

[neviu]

i love all the hate against kor,

this dude is amazing,

stop crying that people are actuactly better than you,

funny stuff

[Belorion]

There are many ways that the scores can be manipulated. Sync drops, tanking your elo score before hand...

but I think its more likely a case of just dropping an insane amount of times to maximize the number of really good games you have. I have had some good games but most of mine are falling in just the good category. I just don't have the stamina to play the number of games necessary to get all really good scores in the top 10.

[151st Light Horse Regiment]

They team up with friends, select one guy to get all the points, split the winnings at the end.

Another part of this game which fails beyond recognition.

Edited by 151st Light Horse Regiment, 28 April 2013 - 07:32 AM.

[neviu]

151st Light Horse Regiment, on 28 April 2013 - 07:20 AM, said:

They team up with friends, select one guy to get all the points, split the winnings at the end.

Another part of this game which fails beyond recognition.

ive only played solo,
and yet ime still ranked 4th overall assault,

YOU MUST BE MAD><.

please go cry somewhere else,

[Xenroth]

neviu, on 28 April 2013 - 06:39 AM, said:

i love all the hate against kor,

this dude is amazing,

stop crying that people are actuactly better than you,

funny stuff

Noone ever said he is a bad player, and its ok that assaults and heavies have that much points but I feel a bit confused about the lights having nearly as much score as the heavies and assaults ... thats the only thing I am wondering about.
Nothing about to say you got 1 maybe 2 or even 5 games that are freaking nice but the light guy has an average score of about 195 points in 20 games.

Maybe he is an outstanding pilot in lights i cant say, but it still looks strange

[Belorion]

Xenroth, on 28 April 2013 - 07:50 AM, said:

Noone ever said he is a bad player, and its ok that assaults and heavies have that much points but I feel a bit confused about the lights having nearly as much score as the heavies and assaults ... thats the only thing I am wondering about.

I typically do about the same no matter what weight class I drive. People get all hung up on thinking that Assaults must be the best when that just isn't true.

[Wildice]

To get a lot of points in the tournament, you need to use the exploit with ELO.
Reduced ELO:
Play risky, and it brings a rare outcomes and reduces Elo. The primary goal of reducing ELO and play with weaker players.
Drag losing game:
On the lower ELO can pull a losing game on personal skills. getting 6-8 kills and 700-1300 damage.

[Belorion]

Manipulating elo like that is probably against TOS. I don't think they all do that, but some of them may.

If there elo score is high enough then there isn't anyone to pit them against but lower elo players. e.g. the ones on the top end of the bell curve.

[Budor]

Im trying meds in a wang but its a hard mech to pull high dmg with becaue you need to go for pinpoint kills.
#5 atm

Edited by Budor, 28 April 2013 - 08:24 AM.

[Xenroth]

Belorion, on 28 April 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

I typically do about the same no matter what weight class I drive. People get all hung up on thinking that Assaults must be the best when that just isn't true.

Well before the state rewind I would agree you but after, you can't go 1vs3 or even 1vs2 so ...

[Koreanese]

Inkarnus, on 28 April 2013 - 04:57 AM, said:

u his friend right?
there is no way in hell he doesnt get shot by 8 mechs .....
while trying to do 900 damage so he did probably strip 2 dsiconnects and stole the
rest fair competition i would say !!
and this is my personally opinion on all that score too unreal high
especially if a person is multiple time scoring highest in tourney since lucky is a diminishing return not a constant
on top me knowing alot of competitions of other games especially esl cal and so on
there is no top player who plays legit non

you sir, are quite rude and extremely biased *******. do you know how many matches I have to run to get these scores? I have over 10,400 kills on my stats. and in these games I play EXTREMELY aggressive to get these scores. so some of the games I simply get wrecked off the bat. EXPLOITING the ELO? are you ******* kidding me? do you think that im going to loose 15 games to try to play 1game that probably gonna end up as stomp fest?. think about it. just because you cant do it, doesn't mean there are people out there who can. and really? stripping? I believe I only had chance to strip 1 light mech because I was the last one alive and he was running around without any weapons. so am I EXPLOITING the system? you decide.

[Sam Slade]

The scoring is just bad.

I looked at the Heavies and discovered I'm number 35(!). How the hell did that happen? I'm playing on a crap laptop at about 14-17 FPS with a ping in the high 500s(not a joke) and yet I get to number 35!?!

Then I understood... becuase of my current tech situation I'm just playing for fun and not trying to play smart and win; you know, just blasting at whomever I run across and hoping for the best... not going for headshots, rear armor coreing or anything because I cannot reliably do so... also found myself running pell mell into the thick of things a bit... sometimes I'm lucky and my teammates do heaps of damage and I don't die.

In short I'm playing like a total noob and yet this gets my into the top 40...

[Ghogiel]

If any one is syncing and having scrub buddies line up your scores you'd pretty much never know. So accusing people is just ********. Besides that's just going to be a lot of pita to set up and run through, and I bet hardly anyone is doing it. As it's probably easier and more time efficient to play solo and just go balls out for 15 games getting 1 decent one.