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[Cryptozoology]

a funny picture but not a great answer to my question ! !

i do appreciate you coming back here with pictures to post though that's always fun

[Noesis]

Cryptozoology, on 09 May 2013 - 09:19 PM, said:

a funny picture but not a great answer to my question ! !

i do appreciate you coming back here with pictures to post though that's always fun

Maybe start a new thread to specifically consider the subject you want to explore in some depth then?

Considering that from a courtesy point of view this isn't what the thread is intentionally about?

[Hammerfinn]

Cryptozoology, on 09 May 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

Humans Dying is A Bad Thing and so I don't really like to see dead people of any type at all ! it's pretty sad when A Person Dies In Real Life No Matter Who They Are !

I am afraid this depends entirely upon who they are, what they belive, who they hate, and what means they are willing to take to express that hate.

Edited by Hammerfinn, 09 May 2013 - 09:44 PM.

[Cryptozoology]

Noesis, on 09 May 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

Maybe start a new thread to specifically consider the subject you want to explore in some depth then?

Considering that from a courtesy point of view this isn't what the thread is intentionally about?

this is a bad thread that i'm improving

[Noesis]

Cryptozoology, on 09 May 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

this is a bad thread that i'm improving

I would say the complete opposite.

[Cryptozoology]

Hammerfinn, on 09 May 2013 - 09:44 PM, said:

I am afraid this depends entirely upon who they are, what they belive, who they hate, and what means they are willing to take to express that hate.

the incalculable value of human life and the irrecovability of death mean that murder is abhorrent in all its forms, friend hammerfinn, i think that pretty much everyone can agree on this ? wherefrom then comes the righteous anger and indignation when A Criminal or A Terrorist kills A Person or even worse A Bunch Of Persons ? we are mad at them for taking another human life, are we not? on what legs do we stand then to consign that person to oblivion as well ?

the reaction to tragedies like murders and bombings is understandable and human, one wants vengeance when one is wronged, this is natural, but is this how a society of rational and civilized people should function? "if you kill someone we will kill you back" is the reaction of a child, hammerfinn, and being pleased at the destruction of human life, no matter whose life it is, is bloodthirsty and repellent

Noesis, on 09 May 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:

I would say the complete opposite.

i'm glad that you're sharing your thoughts and opinions Noesis, it's good to hear from you ! the struggle of opposing viewpoints is crucial to a reasoned discourse

Edited by Cryptozoology, 09 May 2013 - 10:20 PM.

[Noesis]

Cryptozoology, on 09 May 2013 - 10:14 PM, said:

i'm glad that you're sharing your thoughts and opinions Noesis, it's good to hear from you ! the struggle of opposing viewpoints is crucial to a reasoned discourse

But I haven't said not to discuss it have I? I requested you move the discussion to a more focused thread to allow you to explore the material in some depth. If anything I'm trying to help the process surely?

Considering that your comments are an attempt to improve social practices I would have thought that seeing the courteous process of discussing this in a more relevant area for participants who then wish to be engaged with it as opposed to the intended topic material more relevant to this thread would actually be the best behaviour in this situation.

So from my eyes you are being very hypocritical about your posting intent now which kind of makes me question your motivations for your posting about the subject now also? Hence why i consider your posting practices to not really show any helpful behaviour and would say it is slightly arrogant. i.e. not really improving it as a result

Edited by Noesis, 09 May 2013 - 10:25 PM.

[Cryptozoology]

a novel interpretation of the situation friend Noesis !

i would say that taking a discussion about hot button social issues like capital punishment and racism and gender equality and things like that, that taking a discussion about those things and moving it into its own special area is counter productive. i would say that this only encourages people with regressive ideas to coalesce into insular groups of like-minded people who shut out opposing opinions and engage exclusively in niche echochamberism . when discussions of this nature pop up they should not be stamped out but instead should be encouraged and allowed to flourish !

this used to be a thread about making ironic posts on the internet friend Noesis but now look at it! it's a thread about solving all the problems of the world and isn't that much much better ? i think so

[Noesis]

Well then on that expectation shouldn't you then be posting the subject material and the discussion material in every thread on the forums else you will exclude the opportunity for people to be included in this "world" changing discussion?

Edited by Noesis, 09 May 2013 - 10:33 PM.

[Cryptozoology]

no of course not ! that would be spamming

see this way we can all focus our efforts and energies ! me and you and hammerfinn and audit we can all have a nice relaxed debate with each other in the same place instead of myriad fractured conversations spread across the forums like flotsam !

spamming the forums with my opinions isn't going to help anyone, but maybe if i engage with you Noesis you might change your mind about things and then you can go on to have similar conversations with your other friends on the forums and then maybe they talk to their friends about important issues and in this way society progresses !

[Noesis]

I think you miss my point somewhat.

But whatever, I can see you won't be reasoned with on the subject, so I can always "filter" the material from my perspective.

[Cryptozoology]

if I missed your point noesis it definitely wasn't intentional !

maybe it would help if i tell you what i think your point is and then you can tell me if i'm wrong or not ?

i think your point is that you had a thread going about making posts on the mwo forums and then i said jeff dunham had racist puppets and then that started a conversation that shifted the focus of the thread away from it's OP and towards a discussion about society and social issues, and you feel that it's discourteous of me to have done this and what i should have done is start my own thread to talk about racism?

is this what you are driving at ?

[Noesis]

Cryptozoology, on 09 May 2013 - 10:40 PM, said:

if I missed your point noesis it definitely wasn't intentional !

maybe it would help if i tell you what i think your point is and then you can tell me if i'm wrong or not ?

i think your point is that you had a thread going about making posts on the mwo forums and then i said jeff dunham had racist puppets and then that started a conversation that shifted the focus of the thread away from it's OP and towards a discussion about society and social issues, and you feel that it's discourteous of me to have done this and what i should have done is start my own thread to talk about racism?

is this what you are driving at ?

Yes, and especially more so when you then have an expectation that people need to supply you answers on the subject as with your last response to someone else when there isn't a requirement to do so. As such I thought it best to remind you that the intention of this thread was for other purposes as a result, since I found your demanding nature miss placed for the best intentions you wanted.

Given the obvious discourse that some people are not so interested in discussing the topic as a result. I thought for the benefit of all, that as per involvement with discussions it is at the discretion of individuals to be able to choose their involvement. The suggestion of a dedicated thread to discuss the social narrative and its current problems would then be the most satisfactory way to progress things.

Edited by Noesis, 09 May 2013 - 10:48 PM.

[Cryptozoology]

well of course nobody is beholden to engage in a discussion with me Noesis, i don't have that kind of power and it would be pretty rude to expect everyone to be at my beck and call !

but should we all not be attempting to communicate with one another respectfully ?

i think that that's a pretty reasonable expectation, and so to have those expectations dashed it's just a little off-putting i think and so my fervent hope is that no matter what the topic we can all come together in a spirit of mutual understanding in order to progress the discussion without, say, calling the discussion a circle jerk and flying away right after i mean who does that ? ?

anyway you raise an interesting point about a dedicated thread for these types of conversations but since we've already got this one why leave ?

Edited by Cryptozoology, 09 May 2013 - 10:54 PM.

[Noesis]

Cryptozoology, on 09 May 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

anyway you raise an interesting point about a dedicated thread for these types of conversations but since we've already got this one why leave ?

Suggestion was for practicality and as a courtesy. I wouldn't say that the way in which people may have suggested that disinterest in the material you want to focus on may be the most polite way of representing it, but likewise it doesn't excuse you from being equally impolite about interrupting other thought processes either. The term given for this kind of posting is normally called "thread hijacking" and based on the normal connotation in society about this practice would you say it is to be considered as a constructive beneficial practice for demonstrating a good social narrative.

I think that given people's normal daily lives and the gravity of the subject material you want to discuss in some detail which may have a very affective impact on people as a result. I think it is a bit too much to expect people to be able to give full attention or appropriate sense of care to the subject material if they cannot freely explore it at their most optimum affinity with the issues as presented. As a result, by presenting the discussion in a focused way, this still allows the discussion to continue and if anything allows it to be given proper attention as a subject but people can better regulate their involvement as per the dynamics of the discussion also.

I realise this isn't the most optimal way of reaching the world with any helpful conclusions potentially found as a result of discussion. But I personally feel it may be a more productive way of having a better discussion about it as a result. And considering that only a representative sample of MWO pilots doesn't really constitute much in terms of a world view, I don't believe this compromise will overly effect the idea of having an holistic view anyhow. The advertisement then of involvement with said thread could then be best utilised by other mediums to direct people's attention as you see most fitting and within the requirements IGP have stipulated for such.

Again this is just a suggestion, but hth

Edited by Noesis, 09 May 2013 - 11:39 PM.

[Willie Sauerland]

Cryptozoology, on 09 May 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

{snip and snap}

As interesting as this discussion isn't,
you do realize you are clearly in violation of
-->The Rules<--
right?
Your mom misses you.

[Audit]

Feeding birds is bad because they can become dependent on human hand outs. Also, certain foods like bread are of no nutritional value to birds and you're actually harming them by feeding bread to them.

Just look what you've done to Crypto, Neosis. He's become completely dependent upon your responses. There's no way he can hope to go back to the wild and survive. You might as well take him home and keep him as a pet now.

Edited by Audit, 10 May 2013 - 04:38 AM.

[Voridan Atreides]

Cryptozoology, on 09 May 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

this is a bad thread that i'm improving

Oh? Every thread Ive been in that was yours was quite boring actually. You have not enough checkboxezzz.

[Noesis]

Will take a step back Audit. Makes sense at this point.

I have to remember that nature is a cruel mistress sometimes.

[Cryptozoology]

Willie Sauerland, on 10 May 2013 - 01:36 AM, said:

As interesting as this discussion isn't,
you do realize you are clearly in violation of
-->The Rules<--
right?
Your mom misses you.

friend willie sutherland could you please let me know which of your rules i'm violating thx id appreciate it