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[DrunkDrivin]

Stone Profit, on 08 May 2013 - 09:55 AM, said:

I respond to a response to my post, as the response indicate a clarification is needed. Perhaps some common sense would be helpful in the future when reading posts.


Shows an inability to understand my point, thereby requiring clarification.
Anyone who has paid HAS RECEIVED EXACTLY WHAT THEY PAID FOR.

First, I would like to mention that I think your caps lock is on.

Second, Common Sense is a great book you should read it.

Also, by your logic all F2P games should have no standard because the player base is providing the financing via vanity items. I understand the intent behind your statement here, but you did not understand mine. I stated the here and now, how this has trended, and based on both how the finished product will be. I would rather spend my disposable income on a game that would not cause frustration 20-30% of the time playing the finished product. Simple as that.

Stone Profit, on 08 May 2013 - 11:23 AM, said:

I didnt say anything of the sort. Reading comprehension will help in the future to avoid these issues.

Teapot meet Kettle? Seriously man, why so condescending. Grab a beer and chill. It was a humorous jab, I chuckled a bit and that is not a bad thing.

*edit - I keep forgetting the difference between your and you're
**edit again - perhaps I should proof read before hitting the post button

Edited by DrunkDrivin, 08 May 2013 - 01:40 PM.

[DrunkDrivin]

DaZur, on 08 May 2013 - 12:15 PM, said:

It's been iterated 32,143 times within this community that criticism and critique are valuable assets to PGI and the betterment of MW:O. That said, it has equally been pointed out that regardless of how spot-on these criticisms and critiques may be their strength of conviction is lost when they are dripping with contemptuous commentary, accusations of gross negligence and rift with unfounded facts and unsubstantiated empirical numbers...

I've never seen a well thought out complaint, criticism or critique attacked... challenged?..."Yes". Offered alternate explanation?... "You bet". It's natural to discuss contrary opinion...

Conversely, and what I find more troubling is anytime a detractors opinion or position is challenged, the challengers are automatically labeled as being zealots and white knights and accused of being incapable of critical thinking?

There's two sides to everything and if a person is willing to offer criticism and critique, it is fair game for someone with contrary opinion to challenge them...

​ Offering contrary opinion does not = "Unbelievably positive posts" and failing to issue a rage post and or ultimatums and demands does not = constructive feedback.

That is a good point about constructive, but that is happening all over the place. It makes me very sad that so many founders (yes I know there are others as well), that abuse and condescend anyone who does not see the game from that particular point of view.
I have read plenty of well thought out, highly critical, and very constructive posts that were shortly there after ripped apart by a swarm of "Golds". I have nothing against the founders. I am happy that you put your faith and your money into a game that I sincerely hope succeeds. But man, why do some people have to be such colossal ***-hats for no other reason than they threw money at their monitor for MW:O before the rest of us?

[DaZur]

DrunkDrivin, on 08 May 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

Why do some people have to be such colossal ***-hats for no other reason than they threw money at their monitor for MW:O before the rest of us?

Guilty by association and by statistical anomaly...

Folks who bought into the Founders program are also typically members who are are die-hard MW /BT fans and as such: 1.) They perceive they have more to lose. 2.) have a stonger opinion of what this game should be (right or wrong). The third outlier is the people who erroneously equate vesting into the Founders program = paying for MW:O... These people have this convoluted premise that they are owed something above and beyond what what promised in the founders packages because they "invested"...

Mind you... not all Founders are "golds" and not all are arse-hats... It just feels like that some times.

[Stone Profit]

DrunkDrivin, on 08 May 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

First, I would like to mention that I think your caps lock is on.

Second, Common Sense is a great book you should read it.

Also, by your logic all F2P games should have no standard because the player base is providing the financing via vanity items. I understand the intent behind your statement here, but you did not understand mine. I stated the here and now, how this has trended, and based on both how the finished product will be. I would rather spend my disposable income on a game that would not cause frustration 20-30% of the time playing the finished product. Simple as that.



Teapot meet Kettle? Seriously man, why so condescending. Grab a beer and chill. It was a humorous jab, I chuckled a bit and that is not a bad thing.

*edit - I keep forgetting the difference between your and you're
**edit again - perhaps I should proof read before hitting the post button

my condescension was only for those who could not press the concept that was clearly laid out in the most simplest terms therefore I was left with nothing but condescension to get my point across

[DrunkDrivin]

Stone Profit, on 08 May 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

my condescension was only for those who could not press the concept that was clearly laid out in the most simplest terms therefore I was left with nothing but condescension to get my point across

Not buying it. FYI, condescension will only loose credibility for you. Better to just make a playful jab and let the other people bluster and froth at the mouth. I would wager some lurk on the forums simply for that one specific activity.

[Stone Profit]

DrunkDrivin, on 08 May 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

Not buying it. FYI, condescension will only loose credibility for you. Better to just make a playful jab and let the other people bluster and froth at the mouth. I would wager some lurk on the forums simply for that one specific activity.

Why would I need credibility with the morons who troll these forums? Individuals who cant understand simple concepts spelled out so a child could understand them? What would credibility with these creatures gain me, and why should I desire it? Or with those who feel witty remarks make up for a lack of substance or intelligence?

Edited by Stone Profit, 08 May 2013 - 03:18 PM.

[Lefty Lucy]

Adridos, on 08 May 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

Someone already commented on the issue.

The reason DC fix wasn't included in the patch notes was that it is still not complete and while much, much rarer, the bug can still happen... and imagine the forums if they said they fixed it and someone got it...

My point is that PGI is shooting themselves in the foot by not having more comprehensive patch notes. They don't need to claim that all instability issues are fixed to show us that they've put significant work into it, similarly for performance issues.

While I think that they are really dropping the ball with regards to how slow balance changes are taking place, they're also doing a lot of work that goes unnoticed, and it's entirely their fault that it is so.

[Arcturious]

The loading screen tips may have been updated I think. Does anyone know of a thread that keeps an up to date list after each patch?

[hammerreborn]

Adridos, on 08 May 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

Someone already commented on the issue.

The reason DC fix wasn't included in the patch notes was that it is still not complete and while much, much rarer, the bug can still happen... and imagine the forums if they said they fixed it and someone got it...

They posted on twitter (and im pretty sure on the site) that the patch that went live friday included a hotfix to fix the CTD issue.

Also, Bryan tweeted that they found the HUD bug and a hotfix should be upcoming in the near future (if not just included in the 21st patch)

[ProFan]

Ashnod, on 07 May 2013 - 12:28 PM, said:

Artemis also isn't decreasing streak lock on time anymore

It's hard to measure such small periods, but it seems to me that it still works. 0,5 sec instead of 1 sec.

Edited by ProFan, 09 May 2013 - 12:31 AM.

[Adridos]

Lefty Lucy, on 08 May 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

While I think that they are really dropping the ball with regards to how slow balance changes are taking place, they're also doing a lot of work that goes unnoticed, and it's entirely their fault that it is so.

They did listen to community claiming this or that is THE solution a few times and see how it turned out?

From recent memory (-> = consequence):

Don't add ECM to the Jenner! -> Jenners is useless, you ruined it!
The PPC is too slow and generates too much heat! -> GG, you've made PPC into the only viable weapon.

[Belorion]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 08 May 2013 - 12:22 PM, said:

Dazur.

Just as a point of reference. It's not that EVERYONE positive is a white knight or an apologist.

But there are a bunch of people who do it REPEATEDLY with no real content to their posts.

I've got about half of them on ignore, and I reserve the right to call the rest out on it.

There is a difference in being happy with what is produced and being happy do to "white knightishness"

I am happy with a good 80% of what they have done, and am different to about 10%... When I do see something I disagree with I state as such, but in a logical manner, not the semi-hysterical QQ, Chicken Little, Debbie Downer, Hater mentality that so permeates a portion of the poster base.

Neither the white knight side, nor the forum sith side are needed on these forums (but we will have them none the less because this is the internet).

[3rdworld]

Has anyone else noticed losing IFF in zoom with the new patch?

[DaZur]

Lefty Lucy, on 08 May 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

My point is that PGI is shooting themselves in the foot by not having more comprehensive patch notes. They don't need to claim that all instability issues are fixed to show us that they've put significant work into it, similarly for performance issues.

While I think that they are really dropping the ball with regards to how slow balance changes are taking place, they're also doing a lot of work that goes unnoticed, and it's entirely their fault that it is so.

I agree to a point... (I always have a caveat don't I?)

Along with full disclosure of all the "behind the curtain" fixes would also come the community scrutiny of what they elected to work on versus what the community believes they should have been working on. For that reason alone, I'm okay with them being selective with what they highlight if for no other reason than to not give the tinfoil hat brigade anything to harp on.

Ultimately, being kind'a retentive I would like to see full disclosure... That said, at the end of the day, I'm okay with them just disclosing the high profile stuff so long as I can appreciate the behind the scenes stuff when I play the game.

Edited by DaZur, 09 May 2013 - 06:26 AM.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Niko Snow, on 10 May 2013 - 09:18 AM, said:

Keep in mind that some 'undocumented changes' may not necessarily be intentional: Such as the speed tweak issue which occurred on the last patch which was regarded by our team as a bug.

If it's intended and relevant to the end-user: We try to make sure it's in the notes.

The bold part here is what gets you in trouble.

Just assume everything you do is relevant and put it in the patch notes. Then we won't need threads like this.

[MeatForBrains]

How come this hasn't been added to the list?

There is now a chat function on the front end UI.

[MeatForBrains]

Thontor, on 13 May 2013 - 05:18 AM, said:

bcause it's not new.

What is new is that it comes up automatically now, instead of needing to double click someone's name to bring it up.

Ha, I had no idea, and neither did any of the people on my friends list. Talk about lack of communication, ironically.

[VXJaeger]

3rdworld, on 09 May 2013 - 05:23 AM, said:

Has anyone else noticed losing IFF in zoom with the new patch?

This has been around for couple months now.

But enormous cockpit shake and over-the-top-smoke developing are back, as they were fixed in december.