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[Stone Profit]

Soy, on 10 May 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

Well the intent of this conversation is to debate whether or not we as a community are going to actually be satisfied with changes to the game.

I don't think you complaining about complainers and suggesting they're all bad is really on point or constructive, but to each his own.

I never said all complaints were invalid. Some people need to learn toread posts before attacking. I said the OP was complaining FAR too much. But some people just want to attack me for expressing my opinion while simultaineously crying "I get to say what i want dammit!". Hypocrisy, thy name is ... (hint: Not Me)

Edited by Stone Profit, 10 May 2013 - 10:24 AM.

[Soy]

Stone Profit, on 10 May 2013 - 09:53 AM, said:

Blah blah blah more ******** from the never ending spout.

Yeah dude this was definitely very constructive...

[Stone Profit]

Soy, on 10 May 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:

Yeah dude this was definitely very constructive...

It is in fact constructive. too bad some people cant handle that and let it the **** go lawls.

[Soy]

**** it now we're derailing the thread; all I'm saying is if you think everyone who complains about something is bad or doesn't understand it, you're wrong... about as wrong as I am for assuming I'd be able to eloquently explain to you that your comments are asinine...

[Mister Blastman]

The reason changing the weapons has been a waste of time is that changing heat/speed doesn't address the real problem: Convergence.

We will continue to see-saw until they accept that convergence is the answer.

[Trauglodyte]

Joseph Mallan, on 10 May 2013 - 05:57 AM, said:

The thing is, We have seen the cycle, and the problem is many of the weapons that do get Nerfed or Buffed do open the door for the next Whine.

PPCs for months(my time in Closed beta) were the step child weapon. Then some tweaks happened and they became good weapons. Then we players found a way to abuse that good weapon and BAM Much QQing.

Back in close Beta LRMs were just about perfect. hey needed a touch less damage (.1-.2 less) maybe. But the Brawlers were not happy! Much QQ and finding splash was awful we now have weak Missiles.

For some reason The Highlander sparked people into reverting to Poptarting! an PPC boats are the IT build. There is always something that will twist someone's jimmies!

The crying and the tone of the populace is identical to the populace of the Neverwinter forum! That game has been in open Beta for a whole week and the forums there are just as whiny as this one!

It seems every game suffers from:
Game should not charge for X
DC/AFK ruining the game
X is OP needs Nerfed.
X is UP Neds Buffed.
I didn't get X I quit!
etc
etc
etc

I can honestly say I am tired of all the complaining.

I'm with you on that one, JM. The problem with games has always been that the player base is a lot more adapt at abusing change and blowing up planned concepts. Its sort of like that scene from "Apollo 13": Game developers give us all of the pieces and want us to play it by the numbers using a sequence of A, B, C, etc. We, in turn, take those pieces and find a better way and resequence the order. The players that want it to be A, B, C, etc complain because they're doing it as the designers want and are getting hosed in the process. Those abusing it counter with the "we're just playing with what we're given - lrn2play or adapt/die."

Its a lot like govt agencies getting pissed cause hackers are breaking into their "secure" systems because their experts didn't think it could happen. Given enough time, a back door will always be found.

[Soy]

Yeah, I don't think the current meta was intent of design.

[Joseph Mallan]

Soy, on 10 May 2013 - 10:38 AM, said:

Yeah, I don't think the current meta was intent of design.

Neither was the GaussCat! But we found a way!

[Trauglodyte]

I'm certain that I can keep coming up with movie quotes for every retort.

[Joseph Mallan]

Trauglodyte, on 10 May 2013 - 10:48 AM, said:

I'm certain that I can keep coming up with movie quotes for every retort.

I used to do that with Song lyrics!

[Stone Profit]

Soy, on 10 May 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

I crap on 99% of the community and think there are serious fundamental issues with the game.

I know plenty of other quality players who essentially say the same thing.

So where is your point again?

Sick of this "if you complain you suck" thing. I **** on everyone I meet, and I'll complain about whatever I feel like.

Soy, on 10 May 2013 - 10:21 AM, said:

Well the intent of this conversation is to debate whether or not we as a community are going to actually be satisfied with changes to the game.

I don't think you complaining about complainers and suggesting they're all bad is really on point or constructive, but to each his own.

Soy, on 10 May 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:

Yeah dude this was definitely very constructive...

I love how some people switch to a different topic as soon as theyre proven wrong and try to pretend as if that was their point all along. Makes me chuckle.

[Soy]

Yeah, Kerensky forbid I try and get the topic on point again... and here comes mr 'everyone complaining sucks at this game'. MAKES ME ******* LAUGH.

[Stone Profit]

Soy, on 10 May 2013 - 11:03 AM, said:

Yeah, Kerensky forbid I try and get the topic on point again... and here comes mr 'everyone complaining sucks at this game'. MAKES ME ******* LAUGH.

I did not take it off topic the topic with complaints about MW up a topic I responded to it was the people complaining about my response the took it off topic :-)

[Soy]

What the **** did you just say. That's rhetorical, please don't answer...

Edited by Soy, 10 May 2013 - 11:29 AM.

[Shadowsword8]

Neverfar, on 10 May 2013 - 05:18 AM, said:

How many times have we heard something like this on the forums? Don't change PPCs, because lasers'll take over. Don't change LRMs because they'll be the new dominant boat. Don't change anything, apparently.

What is an MMO (yes yes I already had it argued this ISN'T an MMO but let's pretend it is and move on) that doesn't change stuff from time to time? I don't just mean additions, but also finding what's working, what isn't, what is working WAY too well and is therefore making other things by comparison not working too well.

The argument should not be IF, but WHAT, should be changed. We can certainly disagree there. I've seen lots of suggestions for how to deal with alpha-boating, from more penalties in heat scaling (devs apparently noticed enough to suggest internal damage) to outright nerfs (also apparently suggested by the devs regarding PPCs) and many many other things my sleepy head can't quickly remember now.
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I am tired, too, but by another thing.

I am tired by the sheer amount of flawed and illogical diagnostics of what's wrong with MWO. You want an example? Take the current "weapon are fine, boating them isn't" theory. If said weapons are balanced, submitting them to a simple multiplication won't create an unbalance out of the void. You can't have "fine * X = OP". In math terms, it translate into affirming that 1x5=7. Ludicrous.

I am also tired of seeing all those half-assed proposals that are either:
- Ineffective to solve the issue (imaginary or real) they're supposed to fix.
- Have huge loopholes that anyone with two brain cells to rub together would find in 15 seconds flat.
- Create issues worse than what they solve.
- All of the above.

When I visit this forum, I often wonder... "Do these people actually think about what they write? Or do they just post whatever crossed their mind the minute before?"

Edited by Shadowsword8, 10 May 2013 - 11:37 AM.

[Stone Profit]

someone can't comprehend English and its not me! Back on top I've never heard anyone say that if we change ppcs itll happen again with lasers. Quotes please.

[Soy]

Shadowsword8, on 10 May 2013 - 11:36 AM, said:

I am tired, too, but by another thing.

I am tired by the sheer amount of flawed and illogical diagnostics of what's wrong with MWO. You want an example? Take the current "weapon are fine, boating them isn't" theory. If said weapons are balanced, submitting them to a simple multiplication won't create an unbalance out of the void. You can't have "fine * X = OP". In math terms, it translate into affirming that 1x5=7. Ludicrous.

I am also tired of seeing all those half-assed proposals that are either:
- Ineffective to solve the issue (imaginary or real) they're supposed to fix.
- Have huge loopholes that anyone with two brain cells to rub together would find in 15 seconds flat.
- Create issues worse than what they solve.
- All of the above.

When I visit this forum, I often wonder... "Do these people actually think about what they write? Or do they just post whatever crossed their mind the minute before?"

So... yeah... how do you feel about the flawed diagnostics of less people are playing right now as a result of the unbalanced meta?

[Stone Profit]

Soy, on 10 May 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

So... yeah... how do you feel about the flawed diagnostics of less people are playing right now as a result of the unbalanced meta?

Where is ypur data? Or is this another "people said it so its true" thing?

[Soy]

It's a fact?

Kinda like 1*5=7

[Scandinavian Jawbreaker]

How long this "unfairness" has been going on? Do you think PGI has gathered enough data for all the weapons despite the FOTM factor? I think they have not yet gathered enough data and that they will nerf PPC and gather new data despite the forum rage about a new FOTM. If I remember right the LRM and SRM are still under ongoing inspection.