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[Svalfangr]

Really? 3.4 million for an ENGINE???

The mech im grinding it for didnt even cost half of that.

Now i love this game and all but thats ridiculous.

PGI should either Raise CB income or lower costs of engines because an engine for a mech should NEVER cost more than the mech itself and at the current CB rate thats more than 30 games of farming.

Edited by Svalfangr, 15 May 2013 - 03:05 PM.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Basically when you buy a mech, The cost is in the engine.

Yeah they are super expensive. I don't think it's going to change really.

I will say, never sell equipment back. The money you get from it isn't worth it. So hold onto all your engines, lasers, etc. since you never know when you will need one that size.

[Cubivorre]

I see you've been a member since 10 May. You've got a lot to learn. But that's okay, we all had to start at some point. Don't worry too much about a high priced XL engine - Once you get the hang of the game and find a mech you're comfortable in, you'll see those C-Bills racking up in no time.

Give the game a chance, please don't be like a lot of the people on these forums and just start going on about how this and that is broken or unbalanced when even they are not sure of the true mechanics of the game.

And if you do, that's okay too - But try to play the game a bit longer first! You can make those C-bills, you just gotta practice practice practice! We all have faith that you can do it!

Shoot for your dreams!

[Redacted]

Edited by Egomane, 15 May 2013 - 11:09 PM.
Removed picture for language violation

[scJazz]

Svalfangr, on 15 May 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

Really? 3.4 million for an ENGINE???

The mech im grinding it for didnt even cost half of that.

Now i love this game and all but thats ridiculous.

PGI should either Raise CB income or lower costs of engines because an engine for a mech should NEVER cost more than the mech itself and at the current CB rate thats more than 30 games of farming.

You'll notice that there are Mech chassis that include the XL engine. They are appropriately more expensive. As for the costs I started a few days before you did it doesn't seem overly slow grinding to me.

I've bought 5 mechs so far... 2 Spiders, a Dragon and 2 Trebuchets. I haven't XL's any of them yet but still not so bad for day 10.

Edited by scJazz, 15 May 2013 - 03:22 PM.

[NinetyProof]

Svalfangr, on 15 May 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

PGI should either Raise CB income or lower costs of engines because an engine for a mech should NEVER cost more than the mech itself and at the current CB rate thats more than 30 games of farming.

They did ... it's called "premium time". Basically you get more CB / XP every single game. They went even further with "Hero Mechs" that earn 30% more CB/XP on top of that!

I am waiting for a decent Hero Mech to go on sale and I might pick one up ... so far most of the Hero are TERIBAD ... so bad that the 30% basically just makes up for the Damage / Kills your NOT getting cause the chassis is sooo bad.

[Svalfangr]

Cubivorre, on 15 May 2013 - 03:11 PM, said:

I see you've been a member since 10 May. You've got a lot to learn. But that's okay, we all had to start at some point. Don't worry too much about a high priced XL engine - Once you get the hang of the game and find a mech you're comfortable in, you'll see those C-Bills racking up in no time.

Give the game a chance, please don't be like a lot of the people on these forums and just start going on about how this and that is broken or unbalanced when even they are not sure of the true mechanics of the game.

And if you do, that's okay too - But try to play the game a bit longer first! You can make those C-bills, you just gotta practice practice practice! We all have faith that you can do it!

Shoot for your dreams!

[Redacted]

+1 for the pic

But you really think 30 games of farming is a fair price for a SINGLE piece of a mech?

Because i dont.

Edited by Egomane, 15 May 2013 - 11:09 PM.
Quote clean-up

[Marvyn Dodgers]

Nice graphic Cubivorre (and sig too)

[Cubivorre]

Svalfangr, on 15 May 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

+1 for the pic

But you really think 30 games of farming is a fair price for a SINGLE piece of a mech?

Because i dont.

30 games does take a bit of time, but if you can do well in a match, you can cut about 5 games off of that bringing you to 25. If you have premium time, you can probably knock it down to about 15. Now - imagine if you had a hero mech + premium time... +80% c-bill boost. You'll be there in no time.

Not that I'm advocating players to purchase MC, just showing a few alternatives to the grind.

Marvyn Dodgers, on 15 May 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

Nice graphic Cubivorre (and sig too)

And thank you, sir

NinetyProof, on 15 May 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

They did ... it's called "premium time". Basically you get more CB / XP every single game. They went even further with "Hero Mechs" that earn 30% more CB/XP on top of that!

I am waiting for a decent Hero Mech to go on sale and I might pick one up ... so far most of the Hero are TERIBAD ... so bad that the 30% basically just makes up for the Damage / Kills your NOT getting cause the chassis is sooo bad.

Well, some would beg to differ. I personally love my Flame and my X-5(Which got a lot more love before the missile nerf). My Flame is a complete monster on the battlefield lol

[Ph30nix]

once you get playing this game C-bills get easier to earn, me playing about 2 hours i can earn 2-4 million depending how well i do.

also sometimes its a good idea to buy the expensive mechs with the XL engines you want arleady then you can just shuffle the engine around as you grind EXP with the variants.

[NinetyProof]

Cubivorre, on 15 May 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

Well, some would beg to differ. I personally love my Flame and my X-5(Which got a lot more love before the missile nerf). My Flame is a complete monster on the battlefield lol

Doesn't matter if you *love* them or not.

Two issues:

1) Heros are not as good as the best stock chassis. There is not a single Hero Mech chassis that is as good, or better, then the best stock chassis. The question then becomes "how much worse" are they, and in most cases they either the worst, or one of the worst. This is by design so the Pay-2-Win QQers don't QQ which they would if the Hero's were even *as* good as the best chassis.

2) Damage = CB, and most Hero Mechs are terribly in the damage department. Some of that is due to Hard Point restrictions, some of that is due to the weight factor. The lighter the mech, the less damage the mech tends to do ... all things being equal.

That X5 is not going to earn you squat compared just about any Heavy or Assault ... same with the Flame ... your just not going to earn the same CB as with a heavier mech. Although Flame is one of the better Hero Mech it's the low end of that weight class.

The point was that the OP had issues with earning CB's and telling him to consider an X5 or Flame is probably not going to solve his problem but only make it worse :-)

If / When misery goes on sale, I might get it ... it won't replace the 3F and might not replace the 5M once LRM's are un-nerfed ... but it should be good for grinding CB's.

[Svalfangr]

NinetyProof, on 15 May 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

Doesn't matter if you *love* them or not.

Two issues:

1) Heros are not as good as the best stock chassis. There is not a single Hero Mech chassis that is as good, or better, then the best stock chassis. The question then becomes "how much worse" are they, and in most cases they either the worst, or one of the worst. This is by design so the Pay-2-Win QQers don't QQ which they would if the Hero's were even *as* good as the best chassis.

2) Damage = CB, and most Hero Mechs are terribly in the damage department. Some of that is due to Hard Point restrictions, some of that is due to the weight factor. The lighter the mech, the less damage the mech tends to do ... all things being equal.

That X5 is not going to earn you squat compared just about any Heavy or Assault ... same with the Flame ... your just not going to earn the same CB as with a heavier mech. Although Flame is one of the better Hero Mech it's the low end of that weight class.

The point was that the OP had issues with earning CB's and telling him to consider an X5 or Flame is probably not going to solve his problem but only make it worse :-)

If / When misery goes on sale, I might get it ... it won't replace the 3F and might not replace the 5M once LRM's are un-nerfed ... but it should be good for grinding CB's.

Death Knell would like a word with you.

[Flak Kannon]

This is an option I prefer.

By no mean I am rich, not even close...but I do buy 30 days of 'premium time' from occasionally.


What's the cost of that??
Only $15 dollars, that's .50 cents per day.



Anyhow, playing game under 'Premium Time', you will average 80-100,000 c-bills per LOSS, and 180-270,000 c-bills per win.

4-5 winning matches and boom, one million c-bills.

If you get on a roll, it's not hard to earn 1.5 million c-bills per hour if your playing well.


Just a thought on how to earn fast if the slow grind of c-bills is something that turns you off of the game.

[Elder Thorn]

in my opinion they should return maintenance / repair costs, so running an expensive XL engine stays expensive

[Svalfangr]

Flak Kannon, on 15 May 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

This is an option I prefer.

By no mean I am rich, not even close...but I do buy 30 days of 'premium time' from occasionally.


What's the cost of that??
Only $15 dollars, that's .50 cents per day.



Anyhow, playing game under 'Premium Time', you will average 80-100,000 c-bills per LOSS, and 180-270,000 c-bills per win.

4-5 winning matches and boom, one million c-bills.

If you get on a roll, it's not hard to earn 1.5 million c-bills per hour if your playing well.


Just a thought on how to earn fast if the slow grind of c-bills is something that turns you off of the game.

yeah im just always very frugal with F2P games since i bought Hell Gate London (not that it was F2P but buying it has made me very wary) as anyone who bought it like me really regretted it just a few months later when they shutdown everything.

I would just hate to pay for something in this game to see it die or turn into a Pay to have fun game.

Maybe if PGI fixes some things in the next patch like PPCs maybe just maybe ill buy some premium time.

[Gralzeim]

Yeah, I agree that the engine costs are high, but considering how much an engine does for a mech (determines speed, turning speed, number of heat sinks in the engine), and also considering how you can swap engines between mechs, it's not -that- bad. I play pretty casually (as in, I don't play tons, usually probably 10-20 matches in a week, on average), and while it did take me awhile to buy an XL engine, I had fun in the meantime. Current thing I'm saving for is a mech that comes with an XL (Cataphract 3D, so I can retire my 2X, if I like it more), and it's taking me awhile, but I don't mind it. I'll get it eventually.

My advice would be to try to not think of it as a 'grind', but rather just try to play the game and have fun, and try not to focus too much on the cost of what you're aiming for. You'll get it in time.

If you keep working at it, you'll get there. And when you have it, like someone else said, don't sell it even if you're a bit short on cash for something else. Trust me, you may regret it later on. You never know when hardware sitting in your mechbay storage may come in handy at some point.

[Flak Kannon]

NinetyProof, on 15 May 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

Doesn't matter if you *love* them or not.

Two issues:

1) Heros are not as good as the best stock chassis. There is not a single Hero Mech chassis that is as good, or better, then the best stock chassis. The question then becomes "how much worse" are they, and in most cases they either the worst, or one of the worst. This is by design so the Pay-2-Win QQers don't QQ which they would if the Hero's were even *as* good as the best chassis.

2) Damage = CB, and most Hero Mechs are terribly in the damage department. Some of that is due to Hard Point restrictions, some of that is due to the weight factor. The lighter the mech, the less damage the mech tends to do ... all things being equal.

That X5 is not going to earn you squat compared just about any Heavy or Assault ... same with the Flame ... your just not going to earn the same CB as with a heavier mech. Although Flame is one of the better Hero Mech it's the low end of that weight class.

The point was that the OP had issues with earning CB's and telling him to consider an X5 or Flame is probably not going to solve his problem but only make it worse :-)

If / When misery goes on sale, I might get it ... it won't replace the 3F and might not replace the 5M once LRM's are un-nerfed ... but it should be good for grinding CB's.

This poster is just incorrect with that blanket statement.

The Ilya is better than any other Heavy mech, hero or non hero.

The Misery hero Stalker is better than any other Stalker.

I do not need you to believe me, test it your self. I have.

[TruePoindexter]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 15 May 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:

I will say, never sell equipment back. The money you get from it isn't worth it. So hold onto all your engines, lasers, etc. since you never know when you will need one that size.

Eh... I sell duplicate engines. No need to have the 6 STD 280s unless you're too lazy to move the engines around mechs.

Maybe I'm just cheap

[Xoxim SC]

The problem is that basic mech weapon loads are complete and utter crap for the most part against people who use alpha strike cheese builds. Granted someone who has been playing for awhile knows how to counter these, but people who are brand new are stuck with a crappy stock mech and don't have that much of a chance against others. I'm sitting here trying to grind out a stock Dragon 1N and I'm trying not to cut myself, compared to my Flame which I absolutely love.

Edited by Todd Lightbringer, 15 May 2013 - 04:25 PM.

[Gralzeim]

Flak Kannon, on 15 May 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

This poster is just incorrect with that blanket statement.

The Ilya is better than any other Heavy mech, hero or non hero.

The Misery hero Stalker is better than any other Stalker.

I do not need you to believe me, test it your self. I have.

The Ilya is only better than the other Cataphracts if you want to run three ballistics alongside three energy weapons, though some may argue the Jagermech can do this almost as well. If you want to run an energy-heavy loadout, the 1X or 3D are superior. If you want SRMs, the 2X is a better bet. If you want four AC5s or some other combination of four ballistics that fit in articulated arms, then the 4X would be the Cataphract to pick. (or you could go with a Jager that might do that job better, but that's opinion/playstyle).

Hero mechs aren't about being 'better' than existing cbill mechs. They're about offering alternative loadout options with a unique skin and a bonus to cbill gain. This doesn't make them better or worse, in general terms. It depends entirely on the loadout you're trying to use. If a hero mech offers a hardpoint layout that suits your desired loadout? Then it seems 'better'. if not, then it seems 'worse'.

My point is, they're just different. Not better or worse, overall. I've seen them all do just as well or just as badly as cbill mechs.

[Ph30nix]

NinetyProof, on 15 May 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

Doesn't matter if you *love* them or not.

Two issues:

1) Heros are not as good as the best stock chassis. There is not a single Hero Mech chassis that is as good, or better, then the best stock chassis. The question then becomes "how much worse" are they, and in most cases they either the worst, or one of the worst. This is by design so the Pay-2-Win QQers don't QQ which they would if the Hero's were even *as* good as the best chassis.

2) Damage = CB, and most Hero Mechs are terribly in the damage department. Some of that is due to Hard Point restrictions, some of that is due to the weight factor. The lighter the mech, the less damage the mech tends to do ... all things being equal.

That X5 is not going to earn you squat compared just about any Heavy or Assault ... same with the Flame ... your just not going to earn the same CB as with a heavier mech. Although Flame is one of the better Hero Mech it's the low end of that weight class.

The point was that the OP had issues with earning CB's and telling him to consider an X5 or Flame is probably not going to solve his problem but only make it worse :-)

If / When misery goes on sale, I might get it ... it won't replace the 3F and might not replace the 5M once LRM's are un-nerfed ... but it should be good for grinding CB's.

Deathknell would like to say hello.

i avg 400+ damage in my deathknell when im actually trying, gotta watch out for streak lights but they arent my main targets, i go after the big boys and peck them to death. i will fight other non streak lights though and with all 4 of my weapons located in my arms and their massive firing arcs i usualy have a great advantage. really funny fighting anyone with torso weapons and just getting above them lol

Todd Lightbringer, on 15 May 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

The problem is that basic mech weapon loads are complete and utter crap for the most part against people who use alpha strike cheese builds. Granted someone who has been playing for awhile knows how to counter these, but people who are brand new are stuck with a crappy stock mech and don't have that much of a chance against others. I'm sitting here trying to grind out a stock Dragon 1N and I'm trying not to cut myself, compared to my Flame which I absolutely love.

most stock builds are utter crap vs anything. Cheese isnt even Cheese and its not a problem. New players would get trashed by ANY experience player in any mech. The problem is

A. Stock mechs are complete crap

B. New players get an ELO that puts them vs the mid to upper mid range players. They should be playing against the bottom of the ELO rating if they play great they will rise out of that fast enough. Dont start them in their first match by giving them a horrible beat down.