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[JovialJovian]

Die Primate Die, on 29 May 2013 - 03:47 PM, said:

I just lost 5 in a row today where I got all but two of the kills for once, did the top three damage everytime and NOBODY would cap an empty base before we lost.

One match, we killed 7.

Everyone wants to pad their epeen stats and no matter how much you beg them, at 150kph, they'd rather play with enemy mechs than win.

I too, am about to give this up...2 days, no wins, my assault isn't supposed to leave the fighting and go recap an empty base.

I've had matches like this too many times to count. It makes my blood boil when our Mechs are within LOS of our own base and could do something but instead they let the base be capped trying to get that one last kill before losing. I've been told on more than one occasion that kills are more important then victories and to "L2P n00b". That's why I rarely PUG anymore and group on TS more often than not. It's not worth playing with the 12-year olds....

[Sug]

Jack Lowe, on 29 May 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

Sorry for the text wall, I can't make paragraphs seems I'm suffering from a bug in the forum and it hates my enter key. I'm not gonna tell u to change your play style or bash u for needing to L2P. That's crap, I will ask you to consider a few things.

As has been mentioned some people play certain chassis types better than others, they tend to complement their playing style. However each chassis takes some time to grow accustomed to, I still sometimes have trouble the first match or two switching out from my cent to my stalker.


When the match gets serious I, and I'm sure u, will work on instinct more than thought. I will find myself expecting my stalker to move and turn like my cent. in extreme circumstances I'll expect totally different weapons to fire because I'm thinking about my cent. weapons layout. Second if I'm having a bad run I notice I tend to get sloppy, most often I become over aggressive. I wind up taking chances that are tactically unwise, they turn out most often to be bad for my health.

I also consider the strengths and weaknesses of any build I make. I try to envision it's role and how it will become part of a team, even pugs. I watch what my group does try and put myself in the position to be most helpful to the team without making myself the sacrificial lamb. I also remember they are pugs and try to ensure I have an out in case they do something ...unexpected.

If I see them hammering a target I join in, if I see a weak target I take it out. I will tear a target up on occasion and leave it for a team mate that I know is close by in order to deal with a situation that is dangerous to the entire team, although I don't make it a habit.

Finally as the meta changes some mechs become weaker or more difficult to use others easier, I went to a jager with dual gauss because during the last LRM and PPC zerg my cent was more a target than a useful help in that meta.

These are just factors to consider when your having a bad run, nothing more. With all that you'll still have those matches where one or two people just can't wait to see how fast they can improve the enemies K/D and they totally screw you and the team, all you can do is sigh cuss and soldier on, those rare occasions when you pull out an improbable win will be the matches you will remember most fondly with great pride.

Good Luck keep fighting the good fight.

My ocd made me format that.

Die Primate Die, on 29 May 2013 - 03:47 PM, said:

I too, am about to give this up...2 days, no wins, my assault isn't supposed to leave the fighting and go recap an empty base.

I've noticed a dramatic shift in my win/loss ration since they announced the 25 Wins contest. Basically I'm winning every 12th match this week whereas last week/weekend I was winning almost 3 of every 4 games.

[Thorqemada]

I started with a W/L and K/D around 0.3 and "worked" slowly up.
Since the Closed Beta Stats Wipe i have an overall W/L around 1.01 und a K/D around 1.8 atm.
In my favoured Centurion i have since the detailed stats recording a W/L ~1.5 and a K/D ~1.8 also.
Still i login some day and lose 10 matches in a row to win 15 the other day.

Its totally okay to lose much at the beginning, have later losing streaks regardless what you do, if you have 100 matches or 8000, its part of the randomness of playing in PUGs.

Edited by Thorqemada, 30 May 2013 - 05:02 AM.

[Jack Lowe]

Thank you Sug, not sure why but right now I've got a bug and can't do that. Much appreciated

[mack sabbath]

Sad thing is once you get shoved into the lobotomy elo brackets, you need 6 weeks of miracles to move ahead.

Get used to the short bus because once you land there, there is no escape!

[Hauser]

No such thing as Elo Hell.



It's for LoL, but applies to MWO too.

[Angel of Annihilation]

TruePoindexter, on 19 May 2013 - 07:31 PM, said:

This can't be stressed enough. Don't fall into the trap that it's the game or your team making you lose. At some level you were responsible for the loss just by being there. The ability to admit that maybe you made a mistake is part of becoming a better player.

This is total horse hockey as well. You can only do so much and if your team isn't performing up to par, no matter how go you are, your still going to lose.

I have had matches where my damage was more than the other 7 of my team members combined. It ended up an 8 vs 1 match...8 enemy and 1 me. I manage to only kill one enemy, the one I squared off with at the start of the match just a little bit away from where the rest of the team got slaughtered. Also when I run into these all too often sweep type losing streaks I find that 75% of the time I am contributing at least twice as much as any other teammate.

To me that means there is obviously something wrong with the MM.

Additionally, while I might have a general winning trend over the course of 30-40 matches, a trend where I might win 6-7 out of 10 matches regularily, I never have Winning streaks where I win 10+ matches in a row but I sure as hell have losing streaks where I will lose 10, 15, 20 in a row. Again an indication that there is something wrong with the MM.

This sounds exactly like what is happening to the OP.

Sometimes it honestly feel like if you are doing too well, the game just sets you up to lose because it just has to make sure your not an outlier.

[Roughneck45]

The MM is fine, ELO is fine.

You win some, you lose some, simple as that.

You greatly increase your chances of winning by bringing 3 friends to coordinate with, even better when they can carry their own weight.

1 or 2 dumb allies can lose the match for the team, so bring some friends and minimize that risk. Or, just suck it up and accept the fact that some baddies can tank the match regardless of what you do.

Edited by Roughneck45, 15 July 2013 - 10:04 AM.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Roughneck45, on 15 July 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

The MM is fine, ELO is fine.

You win some, you lose some, simple as that.

You greatly increase your chances of winning by bringing 3 friends to coordinate with, even better when they can carry their own weight.

1 or 2 dumb allies can lose the match for the team, so bring some friends and minimize that risk. Or, just suck it up and accept the fact that some baddies can tank the match regardless of what you do.

Bring friends is never the proper answer to balance.

[Roughneck45]

Viktor Drake, on 15 July 2013 - 12:07 PM, said:

Bring friends is never the proper answer to balance.

But he isnt talking about balance, he is talking about losing a bunch of matches in a row.

Thats called bad luck. Im telling you how to improve your luck.

If you drop solo you have less of a chance to win than if you bring a group. Nothing to balance, just a fact.

Edited by Roughneck45, 16 July 2013 - 05:24 AM.

[Davers]

"Through each team's first 25 games of the 2013 season, there were a whopping 66 shutouts, the most in MLB history through that many games. That means 17.6% of the games featured one team getting shut out, as compared with 12% in the same period last season and 8.0% as recently as 2007."

http://www.usatoday....hutout/2148061/

Why do people think shut outs are uncommon outcomes?

Edited by Davers, 16 July 2013 - 07:58 AM.

[Markus Aurelius]

Hauser, on 15 July 2013 - 04:47 AM, said:

No such thing as Elo Hell.



It's for LoL, but applies to MWO too.

That guy is ridiculously stupid and quite frankly I highly doubt he has held a high rank in any game he has ever played in his life.

TC... you need to play with 4 people. If you solo you will probably lose more often than not. Even 4 bad people on teamspeak/vent/mumble/whatever will do much much better than 4 randoms.

[ApolloKaras]

Roughneck45, on 15 July 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

The MM is fine, ELO is fine.

You win some, you lose some, simple as that.

You greatly increase your chances of winning by bringing 3 friends to coordinate with, even better when they can carry their own weight.

1 or 2 dumb allies can lose the match for the team, so bring some friends and minimize that risk. Or, just suck it up and accept the fact that some baddies can tank the match regardless of what you do.

Friends are OP

[mack sabbath]

Went solo dropping today, was amazed that in all but 1 match, 3 or more of our team did 0-80 damage in the match....we lost all but one.

When I'm the top performer in all categories, as inconsistent and mediocre as I am, then I KNOW I got put in the special needs division!

[Hauser]

Markus Aurelius, on 16 July 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

That guy is ridiculously stupid and quite frankly I highly doubt he has held a high rank in any game he has ever played in his life.

TC... you need to play with 4 people. If you solo you will probably lose more often than not. Even 4 bad people on teamspeak/vent/mumble/whatever will do much much better than 4 randoms.

So..... do you have anything to contribute then character attacks or are you going to comment on the subject at hand.

[MurnShaw]

Are you lone dropping? What mech are you in? You will lose more if you have high elo in a light or medium purely because of math, and you will also lose more if you're not dropping with people who'll coordinate with you quickly and efficiently.

If your Win to Loss ratio is close to 1:1 then technically elo is working. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but it's also true. I have streaks of wins that inevitably are followed by streaks of losses as my group gets matched progressively to better players, and then going back down the other way. My experience with elo has broadened my understand of matchmaking and it has also make me understand the purpose of leagues/tiers/divisions. It sucks to have to grind through strings of losses and feel like I'm never making any progress. Having different leagues/tiers/divisions help alleviate that by pointing out, yeah you're losing something fierce, but you're doing it in Silver League now! You've left the sub-par players of Bronze League behind!

[Yelland]

Think of a baseball team - if they had a different group of players (strangers) every game, what would their average look like? Even if the team consistently had All-Stars on it.

A PUG Baseball team is going to demonstrate inherent problems. Baseball players spend months working together, learning how each other thinks, reacts, what each person is good at, and how to run plays together. They also learn weakness - when to compensate and when to replace.

You cannot have long term stable success in a PUG environment - it is not in the numbers and does not match to human behavior. I PUG 100% Need to find a group that plays my hours I guess. Family with young children, full-time work, etc... It's tough, I watch dumb things happen right in front of me. Other times I see amazing coordination, and we just steam roll. But, is it any one players fault? Hard to say objectively. How do I know if that person has 5 games or 500 under them? Even with 500, what does that really mean?

Frankly, I've done dumb things in hindsight trying to make a difference, sometimes it works and sometimes, I am a heap in seconds.

Guess my perspective is to enjoy the victories, learn from and then dismiss the losses, try to help team mates - focus fire, watch for opportunities to crossfire or flank, stay together.

Lights scout and harass, lure squirrel chasers into your team to get focused. Don't be a squirrel chaser BTW.

Meds stick close to Heavy/Assault. Heavies are the big brothers looking for opportunity. Assaults make themselves a target while hopefully making it hard to hit them (using environment, etc.) and responding with a lot of hurt.

Longer post then I intended...

[Thumper3]

Viktor Drake, on 15 July 2013 - 12:07 PM, said:

Bring friends is never the proper answer to balance.

What's balance got to do with not using teamwork? You want them to BALANCE stupidity? This is a game of STRATEGY and skill. You are dropping against 8 other pilots......if those pilots work together and use a solid plan while your teammates talk about the latest Game of Thrones episode, how many hookers they beat up in the latest GTA game, or just shout profanity and derogatory comments your way.......you're gonna lose. Dropping with randoms means that you may end up with anywhere from 1-7 utter mouth breathers who are only in a mech cause their COD server is down. Or because they got banned from Xbox Live again.

Friends are OP......teamwork is broken...........get at least 3 friends and get some wins.

[Kattspya]

Hauser, on 15 July 2013 - 04:47 AM, said:

No such thing as Elo Hell.



It's for LoL, but applies to MWO too.

LoL has a great big player population and can mach up Elo much better. Whenever it takes a minute or more to find a match I know I'm up for rolling the enemy team or getting stomped into the ground and the latter is much more likely. LoL can probably find players with closer Elo scores than MWO. MWO only matches the teams in aggregate and I'm not even sure they consider chassis weight. So you might two really good players in lights with all assaults/heavies being populated by newbies. Then you get to lose unless you can kite and kill 4+ mechs.

You might have a string of bad luck and repeatedly get matched on the predicted losing team and lose every time. Too bad that won't lower your Elo so make sure to have fun during those sideshows.

How often do you get to play on teams where only you and maybe one other breaks 100dmg?

[Kattspya]

Viktor Drake, on 15 July 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

Additionally, while I might have a general winning trend over the course of 30-40 matches, a trend where I might win 6-7 out of 10 matches regularily, I never have Winning streaks where I win 10+ matches in a row but I sure as hell have losing streaks where I will lose 10, 15, 20 in a row. Again an indication that there is something wrong with the MM.

Winning and losing is a zero sum game. The few times I've played with premades my win ratio went up hilariously. That is how you get the win streaks to correspond with the losing streaks. If you only pug you're going to only see the losing side. It is probably mostly confirmation bias though.