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[buttmonkey]

come on pgi please sort this out for the love of kerensky!

how is it that you can acknowledge that an 8 man team shouldnt be dropping with pugs or 4 mans by keeping them in their own seperate queue, but you continue to let the same 8 man groups do sync drops into a match full of pugs. it beggars belief.

nothing says "**** off" to new players more than being shoved into their first match against a enemy comprised of 4 man premades and 8 man sync droppers.

its so damn easy to fix! you have 8v8 ok fine you got that.

then you have 4man groups dropping against other 4 man groups only.

then you have 2man and 3 man groups dropping against other 2 and 3 man groups.

then you have puggers dropping against other puggers only.

i really hope im not alone in thinking that this is a very easy solution to a very big problem.
its bad enough that there is no tutorial but to be thrown in match after match against an organised group must be a complete nightmare for new players.

[Joseph Mallan]

Funny I never had a problem losing to a better team than I was on. didn't matter if they were a 4 man, 8 man, 2 man or PUG.

Just saying one should learn to lose with dignity.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 20 May 2013 - 04:55 AM.

[Hotthedd]

Joseph Mallan, on 20 May 2013 - 04:54 AM, said:

Funny I never had a problem losing to a better team than I was on. didn't matter if they were a 4 man, 8 man, 2 man or PUG.

Just saying one should learn to lose with dignity.

Losing to a better team is all well and good, but I believe the OP is referring to newer players (who will generally PUG before finding a group) having their initial experience with MW:O being an uneven stomp. You can learn something by losing, but you will not learn anything by seeing that your team never actually had a chance.

[Syllogy]

Pug vs. Pug.... a queue that won't have any real purpose once CW launches....


mmmm...pass.

[Roland]

Give the pugs who don't want to play with anyone a lone-wolf-only queue, and then put everyone else into the regular queue, and let folks drop with however many folks they want.

[Joseph Mallan]

Hotthedd, on 20 May 2013 - 04:59 AM, said:

Losing to a better team is all well and good, but I believe the OP is referring to newer players (who will generally PUG before finding a group) having their initial experience with MW:O being an uneven stomp. You can learn something by losing, but you will not learn anything by seeing that your team never actually had a chance.

You will see that you could use being on a team? Remember I never played an MMO before MWO. If anyone should have quit cause of how the game was played it should have been me. But here I am. Still around. I played 6 weeks of uneven stomping in Closed Beta. Never complained, there are always better teams, as players we need to deal with that. Then I got in with the Law and I saw what the game was supposed to be played like, both as 8 man and 4 man teams.

The only time I see that we should not face teams is in the "singles" tournament. You have to play solo so fighting a team is fighting non competitors. I don't know any tournaments that pit competitors v non competitors.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 20 May 2013 - 05:22 AM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Roland, on 20 May 2013 - 05:18 AM, said:

Give the pugs who don't want to play with anyone a lone-wolf-only queue, and then put everyone else into the regular queue, and let folks drop with however many folks they want.

Pretty sure if they did that people would still come here and blame the boogyman premades for hacking into the solo que, when they get stomped 8-0,8-1 by random pugs as currently happens.

[hammerreborn]

OH LOOK ITS THIS THREAD AGAIN!

Get friends.

[Hotthedd]

Joseph Mallan, on 20 May 2013 - 05:22 AM, said:

You will see that you could use being on a team? Remember I never played an MMO before MWO. If anyone should have quit cause of how the game was played it should have been me. But here I am. Still around. I played 6 weeks of uneven stomping in Closed Beta. Never complained, there are always better teams, as players we need to deal with that. Then I got in with the Law and I saw what the game was supposed to be played like, both as 8 man and 4 man teams.

The only time I see that we should not face teams is in the "singles" tournament. You have to play solo so fighting a team is fighting non competitors. I don't know any tournaments that pit competitors v non competitors.

Yes. You never complained, neither did I as a matter of fact. I was here for the "MechWarrior" title.
I played for about 6 weeks before I joined a merc unit. Like you, THAT is when my learning curve kicked into high gear.

Just because you and I each stuck it out for 6 weeks before joining a group, does not mean everyone will. As a matter of fact, given the demographic PGI seems to be courting, the number that stick around for ONE week may be low.

If we cannot have a decent tutorial, the least PGI could do is not throw new players to the wolves.

hammerreborn, on 20 May 2013 - 05:34 AM, said:

OH LOOK ITS THIS THREAD AGAIN!

Get friends.

Just curious, are you such a ******* in real life? Or just when you are protected by the internet.

[Acid Phase]

hammerreborn, on 20 May 2013 - 05:34 AM, said:

OH LOOK ITS THIS THREAD AGAIN!

Get friends.

Oh look it's this POS response again. Why then is the option to drop in solo allowed? Maybe you can answer me that?

[Joseph Mallan]

7 billion people world wide give or take a billion...
...
...
just sayin' there are a lot of fish to fry.

[hammerreborn]

You know, I can count the number of sync drops I've seen this month on probably one hand.... It's just not that big of a deal.

Just because a bunch of people have the same faction icon does not mean they are premades, let alone sync droppers.

[Joseph Mallan]

Tuesday nigh Marik drops still happening?

[hammerreborn]

Acid Phase, on 20 May 2013 - 05:47 AM, said:

Oh look it's this POS response again. Why then is the option to drop in solo allowed? Maybe you can answer me that?

Someone doesn't have any friends! Maybe you and OP can form a team.

Acid Phase and Buttmonkey, the terrible duo.

[Acid Phase]

hammerreborn, on 20 May 2013 - 05:49 AM, said:

Someone doesn't have any friends! Maybe you and OP can form a team.

Acid Phase and Buttmonkey, the terrible duo.

You bring nothing to the argument. I'm done with you, Mr. "I hide behind the internet to protect my arrogance".

[hammerreborn]

Acid Phase, on 20 May 2013 - 05:52 AM, said:

You bring nothing to the argument. I'm done with you, Mr. "I hide behind the internet to protect my arrogance".

As opposed to Mr. "I hide behind the internet hiding from the guy who hides behind the internet to protect his arrogance".

LOLATU

Don't like people playing with friends, then get some better friends.

[Kommisar]

You do realize that ELO is still affecting the match making. If a group of players does sync-drop, the vast majority of groups doing it are comprised of largely veteran players. If all 8 of them do happen to end up on the same team, they are not going to be pitted against 8 solo guys still grinding through their trial mechs. The exception is if this all happens during the really, really low player periods; I'm guessing 2 am EST or something, maybe? Not sure what player numbers are like across various time periods.

Otherwise, while the ELO system is not perfect, it's not going to match an 8 man vet sync drop against even 3 guys in trial mechs unless there are something like less than 50 people online playing.


I'll also add that the accusations of 8-man syncs are far more prevalent than the reality. I've been accused of this a LOT by being on the winning team. Sometimes, you just flat out get rolled and it doesn't take a sync drop to happen.

Edited by Kommisar, 20 May 2013 - 06:01 AM.

[Stoicblitzer]

there is currently no way for us to prove people are sync dropping 2x 4mans. I don't think it's common. The matchmaker is pretty garbage though. no argument there.

[General Taskeen]

The game encourages solo play, PGI put it into the game. It is an option. Therefore it should be reasonable that solo players aren't matched vs. stomps, especially new players in their first matches. And saying "Get grouped" is a lame response. I've played as Lone Wolf or with Lone Wolves since the beginning, better than most joker clans anyways. "You need military training here, hurr durr. You need to min/max your Mech to win, hurr durr."

[hammerreborn]

Stoicblitzer, on 20 May 2013 - 06:00 AM, said:

there is currently no way for us to prove people are sync dropping 2x 4mans. I don't think it's common. The matchmaker is pretty garbage though. no argument there.

I'm not sure how one can write the first sentence and then completely turn around and write that second sentence. It boggles the mind.