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[Barnaby Jones]

...when you are scheduled to introduce a patch that is supposed to fix a long standing issue we have all been waiting a long time for, you seem to find a way to break something else entirely. Congrats!!!

And not in a new and interesting way... in the same way it was broken before almost as though you learned nothing from your previous mistakes. Outstanding!!!

Your QA department must have an excess of pride in their job to be able to fail so completely at the simplest of things: you know, spot bugs that have occured before, been fixed before, only to reappear. To completely miss yet another obvious bug that the general population spots in less than an hour is an astounding accomplishment!!!

good job pgi.... keep up the mediocre work and we will continue to expect failures, and none of us will be disappointed at all... after all if your goals are low enough, you'll accomplish them everytime.

Then again, none of us will probably be around much after seeing you fuckup time and time again. we will be too busy playing quality games, that the producers actually test before releasing, but we will still think of you every other tuesday. We will look off in the distance wistfully, and imagine what new failures you guys are incorporating into your game before you have to eventually turn off the servers and shutter the office after running out of money. And I'm sure, even though we wont be around to see it, you guys will come up with all kinds of new ways to drive this game straight into the ground. Cheers!!!

~Barnaby "Mother*******" Jones

[Vermaxx]

They wear sunglasses indoors because their future's so damned bright.

[Helmer]

As this is nothing but a rant, and the OP feels the urge to curse, Kaetetoa seems more appropriate.


Moved





Cheers.

Edited by Helmer, 21 May 2013 - 11:42 PM.

[Brkojle]

hehe, original idea to lower distance sniping and stuff became opposite.
Barnaby, its about players, not about PGI. People love to have high damage, kills... I read somewhere that PGI plans to make some scoreboards, imagine that in/out of game! If you find that they constantly disappoint you why do you still play ? People will laways find some tweaks and stuff just to be 1st on leaderboard. You simply can't do a thing about it...accept it or delete game. I hope that you are aware that canyon map is made exactly for sniping.

I share your opinion. Kinda tired of so much PPC's all the time, snipers, jumptards... Now I smoke joint with one hand, play my Streak Cat for last month with other.... hoping for something better in future.

cheers

[Barnaby Jones]

PGI doesn't know how to incrementally implement changes... they throw a big bunch of **** at the wall and see what sticks.

Example: Lets change the LRM dps, the LRM speed, AND LRM arc all at once, not test it at all before releasing it {if it was tested, how could they have missed this bug}, and then be shocked when they can't figure out how to tweak the multitude of changes to actually get the results they wanted...

This is the exact same issue they had when they first release Arte, and yet here they are again, reintroducing the same bug....

[Wired]

[SPencil]

lol, OP knows nothing.

[Wired]

SPencil, on 22 May 2013 - 03:34 AM, said:

lol, OP knows nothing.

Ive played with Barnaby, that dastardly fellow, a few times and outside of his tone in this post he:s often an ok guy. either that, or he is a clever backstabber.

Now, that being said, he is right on one thing - if I have to ever say one thing about PGI, its that they do not do incremental change very well.

An example is patchday for ECM and splitting the queues. They unleashed as much as they could, and also split the queues at the same time. Not only was ECM not tested in the normal games before the all competitive 8v8 mode was put in, but no one got to play 8v8 mode without there being all ecm mechs all the time.

[SPencil]

It's naive to assume they did no testing, whether it's for ECM, the new missile flight paths, or anything else. Instead, it's a safe assumption that they play-test their game in a different manner then most of us play. So what looks balanced and right when they tested it might not be so when it's released into the wild. The players in the wild are (generally) much more malevolent and self-serving then those who are testing changes pre-patch.

What bothers me isn't that PGI "can't fix important bugs", what really gets to me is that the majority of the player base hasn't a clue how complicated fixing a software bug can be. It's not like a software engineer can take a 10 second look at code and instantly find the bug. Which is why when I see someone that makes a statement like this:

Barnaby Jones, on 21 May 2013 - 11:20 PM, said:

...you know, spot bugs that have occured before, been fixed before, only to reappear. To completely miss yet another obvious bug that the general population spots in less than an hour is an astounding accomplishment!!!

I know that said person knows nothing about software construction or game design. Practically illiterate when it comes to technology. Still, as our buddy Jones proves, having no knowledge of software construction doesn't stop a person from critiquing someone's work.

Welcome to K-Town btw.

Edited by SPencil, 22 May 2013 - 06:53 AM.

[Willie Sauerland]

[Soy]

BTW I've seen Barnaby in game before, played with him, against him, chatted with him. Chill dude. Obviously upset by the game.

And yet... here's some nonfactor talking **** in a rant thread to him.

Who the **** is SPencil.

Edited by Soy, 22 May 2013 - 11:29 AM.

[SPencil]

That guy, over there --->

[Hammerfinn]

Welcome
to k-town.

Stop taking yourself seriously
of I will have to break out
the reality-fish.

[Willie Sauerland]

And in music:

[blinkin]

Willie Sauerland, on 23 May 2013 - 08:42 AM, said:

And in music:

sad thing is i am pretty sure i know exactly what those images are supposed to demonstrate.

[Willie Sauerland]

blinkin, on 23 May 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

sad thing is i am pretty sure i know exactly what those images are supposed to demonstrate.

Yep.
It is a survival technique.

[blinkin]

Willie Sauerland, on 23 May 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

Yep.
It is a survival technique.

i meant the more specific intent of that action.

[Willie Sauerland]

blinkin, on 23 May 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

i meant the more specific intent of that action.

Ah yes.
Cleaning the rabbit of its innards without a knife.
Convenient having a built in hole there, no?

[Barnaby Jones]

SPencil, on 22 May 2013 - 06:53 AM, said:

It's naive to assume they did no testing, whether it's for ECM, the new missile flight paths, or anything else. Instead, it's a safe assumption that they play-test their game in a different manner then most of us play. So what looks balanced and right when they tested it might not be so when it's released into the wild. The players in the wild are (generally) much more malevolent and self-serving then those who are testing changes pre-patch.

What bothers me isn't that PGI "can't fix important bugs", what really gets to me is that the majority of the player base hasn't a clue how complicated fixing a software bug can be. It's not like a software engineer can take a 10 second look at code and instantly find the bug. Which is why when I see someone that makes a statement like this:



I know that said person knows nothing about software construction or game design. Practically illiterate when it comes to technology. Still, as our buddy Jones proves, having no knowledge of software construction doesn't stop a person from critiquing someone's work.

Welcome to K-Town btw.

I would counter that its naive to believe they have their priorities straight after seeing them release (moreso in this case, rerelease) bugs and be surprized when the **** doesn't work in "the Wild".

The entire point of a test system is to verify their changes work (on the live server) as intended, and your reaction to this system breaking down is to claim its ok, because I don't understand the complexities inherent in programing.

Your ad hominem retort isn't even really worth a response from a discussion standpoint, but I did so primarilly to thank the fine gentlemen who, though they may not have defended my argument, defended my personage.

In a related query.... SPencil, does the inside of PGIs *** still smell like ****, or have the other apologists and fanboi's cleaned up a bit since I last visited?

[blinkin]

Barnaby Jones, on 23 May 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

I would counter that its naive to believe they have their priorities straight after seeing them release (moreso in this case, rerelease) bugs and be surprized when the **** doesn't work in "the Wild".

The entire point of a test system is to verify their changes work (on the live server) as intended, and your reaction to this system breaking down is to claim its ok, because I don't understand the complexities inherent in programing.

Your ad hominem retort isn't even really worth a response from a discussion standpoint, but I did so primarilly to thank the fine gentlemen who, though they may not have defended my argument, defended my personage.

In a related query.... SPencil, does the inside of PGIs *** still smell like ****, or have the other apologists and fanboi's cleaned up a bit since I last visited?

if you want a perfect bug free game go play pong. even donkey kong and pacman have issues once you reach a certain level.

or we could TEST things like BETA TESTERS.