59 replies to this topic

[White Bear 84]

Koniving, on 23 May 2013 - 11:56 PM, said:

h264 codec mp4, windows media player to convert at 8000 kbits/sec. I use fraps to record. Not the best, but it works. If your voice is not important, try MSI Afterburner. It's free and works with less lag.

Sweet, use MSI to record and screenshot. Ill check out the codec! Anything free to edit with??

Edited by White Bear 84, 24 May 2013 - 12:19 AM.

[Koniving]

Windows movie maker / media player.

[Cubivorre]

Training Instructor, on 23 May 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

A lot of the guides fail to accentuate a crucial fact.

The Spider is not a novice or beginner mech. You need to be a really good pilot and really good shot before you can get full use out of it.

You obviously failed to read the guides thoroughly, because I know of two SDR-5D guides(Note the number 5, FIVE, F-I-V-E, is not the same number as the number 3) including my own mention that SDR's require a higher skillset than most novice pilots have when entering the game.

Please, actually read guides before you present erroneous information to others.

Edited by Cubivorre, 24 May 2013 - 10:14 AM.

[Training Instructor]

Cubivorre, on 24 May 2013 - 06:16 AM, said:

You obviously failed to read the guides thoroughly, because I know that of of the SDR-5D (Note the number 5, FIVE, F-I-V-E, is not the same number as the number 3) and my own both mention that SDR's require a higher skillset than most novice pilots have when entering the game.

Please, actually read guides before you present erroneous information to others.

So I mis-typed one number. What else is erroneous? I don't give a flip about your spider guide. I was making a public service message.

[Cubivorre]

Training Instructor, on 24 May 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

So I mis-typed one number. What else is erroneous? I don't give a flip about your spider guide. I was making a public service message.

When I said you were providing erroneous information, I wasn't even referring to you using the incorrect designation for the variant.

I was referring to this:

Training Instructor, on 23 May 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

A lot of the guides fail to accentuate a crucial fact.

Hmmm - Seems like you are contradicting yourself. Now if you don't read our guides, how can you know what our guides include?

So yes - you SHOULD give a flip about our guides if you are going to make baseless accusations such as this.

[BoPop]

well... while i think the spider, any of them, is one of the most rewarding mechs to play funwise, they take some doing to master. and they're only really fun after they're just totally greased up and mastered.

i'd have to agree w/the OP to some degree, main reason being someone new to MWO wont make much cash(cbills) and it will be hard to explore other mechs. i'd advise other revenue generating mechs first, mediums or heavies, to new folks.

the thing is: you don't launch in a spider and expect to do a lot of damage. it's possible, but unlikely. furthermore, the enemy will absolutely target you because you're a soft kill if they get a chance to alpha you, which can work to your teams advantage. i think most people call it "chasing squirrels" but unfortunately there is no numerical way to reward a player for TOTALLY distracting the enemy and letting your team nail them indiscriminately, which is about all a novice spider pilot can do.

[Training Instructor]

Cubivorre, on 24 May 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

When I said you were providing erroneous information, I wasn't even referring to you using the incorrect designation for the variant.

I was referring to this:


Hmmm - Seems like you are contradicting yourself. Now if you don't read our guides, how can you know what our guides include?

So yes - you SHOULD give a flip about our guides if you are going to make baseless accusations such as this.

[REDACTED] Your guide is pointless in the first place because.....by the time someone should be piloting a spider, they don't need your advice, they can figure it out themselves.

That was kind of the whole point of the post. Don't buy a spider until you're the type of player who doesn't need someone to walk you through how a mech works.

Edited by Destined, 24 May 2013 - 12:17 PM.
Removed personal attack.

[LordBraxton]

How do you fight a streak trebuchet?

My favorite speedy ride is my TBT-7M

PPC
2Mlas
3Streaks
BAP
110kph
jump jets

with the BAP changes every spider is just a joke to me


Spider is just a handicap to your team.

[PEEFsmash]

Honestly, if you are buying a non-5D Spider for purposes other than Mastering the 5D...you are probably not "pretty good at the game."

[Cubivorre]

Training Instructor, on 24 May 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

Your guide is pointless in the first place

Quite a few would beg to differ for numerous reasons. On top of that, the guide serves as a basis of discussion around the SDR-5D variant.

You're also avoiding the only issue that I brought up - The fact that you made did zero reading before you plastered a blatant lie in the first sentence of your thread.

Now, if you'd like to continue I'd advise against using personal attacks in your argument.

Edited by Cubivorre, 24 May 2013 - 12:36 PM.

[Qozimoto]

Where was this warning earlier in the week when I started playing?

I bought one as my 1st mech and was struggling with it. I found the Jenner much more in tune with my playstyle, and therefore, more enjoyable overall.

I'll eventually circle back to it, but only after I've learned a few more things first.

[Stormwolf]

The Spider SDR-5D was designed as a anti-infantry mech, it's pretty useless in a game that only has mechs.

And you might ask "what can infantry possibly do against a mech?", well that's simple those guys have all kinds of fun weapons like inferno SRM launchers and in later cases stealth suits to sneak up on you. This is rather expanded upon in the GDL novels where they would attach satchel charges to the legs of mechs and pretty much cripple them.

That's where the SDR-5D comes in, it protects its fellow mechs from these sorts of nasty things.


I have no clue why this mech made its way into MWO.

[DegeneratePervert]

I don't always pilot my Spider 5D...

But when I do, I snort perfectly legal TALCUM POWDER off of an Urbie's back before dropping.

Really? That's a bad word? Fine.

Edited by DegeneratePervert, 24 May 2013 - 02:11 PM.

[ArcDemon]

Jungle Rhino, on 24 May 2013 - 12:15 AM, said:

They aren't that hard to pilot - the trouble is a single mistake can end it for you - I should have been dead in the above video when I got caught sitting in front of the two atlas' but they hurried their shots and missed.

When I trained up my Spiders my reaction was the opposite - I was amazed at how much punishment I could take and how many mistakes I could get away with. But then my main mech before that was the Commando which are made from balsa wood and tinfoil.

[Training Instructor]

LordBraxton, on 24 May 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

How do you fight a streak trebuchet?

My favorite speedy ride is my TBT-7M

PPC
2Mlas
3Streaks
BAP
110kph
jump jets

with the BAP changes every spider is just a joke to me


Spider is just a handicap to your team.

Ah, that's a pretty difficult task there. Honestly, I'd probably run if you were consistently landing ppc shots on me. Not because of the streaks, but simply because you're good enough to hit my juking and jiving mech with heavier weapons.

[DegeneratePervert]

LordBraxton, on 24 May 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

How do you fight a streak trebuchet?

My favorite speedy ride is my TBT-7M

PPC
2Mlas
3Streaks
BAP
110kph
jump jets

with the BAP changes every spider is just a joke to me


Spider is just a handicap to your team.

Simple.... I avoid you. You may be going 110, but I'm still going 151. If I'm the last mech and we aren't ahead on points, the battle is over anyway. But if we aren't ahead on points, I haven't been doing my job.

[LordDante]

LordBraxton, on 24 May 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

How do you fight a streak trebuchet?

My favorite speedy ride is my TBT-7M

PPC
2Mlas
3Streaks
BAP
110kph
jump jets

with the BAP changes every spider is just a joke to me


Spider is just a handicap to your team.

and while ur busy chasing me, my team will eat ur POPTARTING BEHIND . afterwards we return to base for debriefing and cocktails. http://www.hark.com/...swoode-its-lisaYummy! ill have a whisky sour on U sir .

Edited by LordDante, 28 May 2013 - 06:08 AM.

[Caleb Brightmore]

LordBraxton, on 24 May 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

How do you fight a streak trebuchet?

My favorite speedy ride is my TBT-7M

PPC
2Mlas
3Streaks
BAP
110kph
jump jets

with the BAP changes every spider is just a joke to me


Spider is just a handicap to your team.

Two SDR-5Ds with ECM?

One on one yes you are a headache but without the use of streaks all you have is armor and lasers, ppc is "MOSTLY" useless vs one SDR inside 90 nvm 2

Easy..nope but doable "with help" otherwise its turn on the jets time and haula$$ outta there lol unless I am feeling frisky and lets face it you go fast enough capping isnt an option so I would have to fight or lose maybe even both but it would be interesting.

This is an interesting tactical question.

I personally want and yes this is off topic but duels.

So we can answer questions like that on the battlefield where the results are visible and you can watch film and see where you messed up or did well.

Edited by Caleb Brightmore, 28 May 2013 - 10:22 AM.

[Shuyen]

Stormwolf, on 24 May 2013 - 02:08 PM, said:

The Spider SDR-5D was designed as a anti-infantry mech, it's pretty useless in a game that only has mechs.

And you might ask "what can infantry possibly do against a mech?", well that's simple those guys have all kinds of fun weapons like inferno SRM launchers and in later cases stealth suits to sneak up on you. This is rather expanded upon in the GDL novels where they would attach satchel charges to the legs of mechs and pretty much cripple them.

That's where the SDR-5D comes in, it protects its fellow mechs from these sorts of nasty things.


I have no clue why this mech made its way into MWO.

I would have thought that was the 5K, with all the ballistic hardpoints for MG's. The 5D, with the ECM, would be wasted on anti-infantry duty. This is from an old, old tabletop gamer who has been in love with Battletech since the mid 1980's or so.

But, anyways, the 5D is perfectly usable, mainly because of the ECM. If someone decides to spend gadzillion dollars/points on their SDR the way you did on your TBT, they'd have a 150kph beast that wouldn't come within 250m of you which would happily dodge in and out of cover while taking big chunks of armor off you with an ERPPC. And TAG'ing you for his LRM boats to hit with salvo after salvo until you are swiss cheese. Just sayin'. Cause I have seen it happen.

But, generally speaking, SDR's aren't for everyone. We all know this. You can try to start a flame war over it here if you want, that's cool. It just shows that they aren't for you. Which, again, is perfectly fine.

Have fun with your $50m CBILL TBT.

[mailin]

It's funny to hear people trash talking Spiders. Especially those in heavier mechs. To those I say, "bring it." I'll show you what a Spider can do and later in the match you'll be a spectator and I'll still be alive.