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[AlexEss]

I say this... Anything(except maybe flamers and MG´s... and tags ofc) boated by a full team equals annihilation.

This is in essence not worse then boating SRMS on the same mech... Just take a teensy bit more skill.

Actually of all the boating the streak cat is the one i fear the least as it have so many counters.

Edited by AlexEss, 26 May 2013 - 03:54 AM.

[JohnathanSwift]

El Bandito, on 26 May 2013 - 03:53 AM, said:

So this is the best you can come up with?

Sad.

We've approached this mathematically, with evidence, personal experience, tested and proven.


So far all you've done is sputter, is this the best you can come up with?

Pot meet kettle.

Also I'm done, we're planning our next raid.

[El Bandito]

JohnathanSwift, on 26 May 2013 - 03:55 AM, said:

We've approached this mathematically, with evidence, personal experience, tested and proven. So far all you've done is sputter, is this the best you can come up with? Pot meet kettle. Also I'm done, we're planning our next raid.

Your so called evidence is utter trash and instead of disproving my 8 Stalker point, all you did was post idiotic comment and "like" each other like mentally immature children. Kong is nothing much if it is full of guys like you.

Edited by El Bandito, 26 May 2013 - 03:59 AM.

[JohnathanSwift]

El Bandito, on 26 May 2013 - 03:56 AM, said:

Your so called evidence is utter trash and instead of disproving my 8 Stalker point, all you did was post idiotic comment. Kong is sure full of dunderheads.

El bandito sure is Ad hominem and strawman.

[Pando]

El Bandito, on 26 May 2013 - 02:47 AM, said:

All Stalkers can do that but Quad PPC is too heat intensive in a brawl.

Bottom line is, eight A1s are easy to beat as long as you know the other side is gonna get them.

Only one has dual AMS silly face.

[El Bandito]

Pando, on 26 May 2013 - 04:01 AM, said:

Only one has dual AMS silly face.

One is plenty. In truth, a Stalker doesn't even need single AMS to beat an A1.

Edited by El Bandito, 26 May 2013 - 04:04 AM.

[Pando]

I know what can beat Kong, 8 trollmandos with flamers. Mando's have to have the song playing "whoop there it is" while they shark attack the A1's.

[Egomane]

JohnathanSwift, on 26 May 2013 - 03:59 AM, said:

El bandito sure is Ad hominem and strawman.

And you are baiting him to be!

This little vendatta you have between you, stops to exist on these boards now, before I have to put a stop to it. I assure you, you wont like it, if I have to stop you.

[Pando]

El Bandito, on 26 May 2013 - 04:03 AM, said:

Stalker doesn't even need single AMS to beat an A1.

I was making the point you didn't think completely before you posted. But sure.

[Nexus Omega]

JohnathanSwift, on 26 May 2013 - 03:51 AM, said:

Humans make mistakes, streaks do not.

Good point,

[Pando]

Egomane, on 26 May 2013 - 04:04 AM, said:

And you are baiting him to be!

This little vendatta you have between you, stops to exist on these boards now, before I have to put a stop to it. I assure you, you wont like it, if I have to stop you.

Hardly, I've read up a few lines....I think you're combing this thread entirely to hard chief.

Pando, on 26 May 2013 - 04:03 AM, said:

I know what can beat Kong, 8 trollmandos with flamers. Mando's have to have the song playing "whoop there it is" while they shark attack the A1's.

Since it was buried.

[Kitane]

Slighty offtopic, because it doesn't involve 8 vs 8 teams.

I have seen exactly one Streakcat over last two days in random matches, it's too crappy on its own to be even considered a candiate for FoTM.

One trouble with Streaks - they need to lose their CT coring proficiency before better versions of SSRM arrive. But when they do lose it, SSRM2 will become just as worthless piece of equipment as SRM2.

[Mechteric]

If streaks were more like they are in MWLL it could be better balanced perhaps... (For the uninitiated they were guided but only just, they didn't guarantee hit and had to be led a bit)

Though I'm sure I'm not the only one who loved abusing that 8xSSRM6 Vulture

Edited by CapperDeluxe, 26 May 2013 - 04:32 AM.

[Chemie]

I actually think this points out what is wrong with 8-mans (and even the pug drops). With no weight limits, stupid things happen.

Plus, ECM is now so bastardized it is basically null shield; it lets you hide from way out. After 8 mini-nerfs and now BAP mega nerf, ECM is useless. All mechs get BAP, limited few get ECM. Why carry either now?

Edited by Chemie, 26 May 2013 - 04:31 AM.

[Huge]

Egomane, on 26 May 2013 - 01:24 AM, said:

I removed several posts for violation of the Code of Conduct. I'll remind you as well, that this Code of Conduct is also viable in the game. Any violation is a punishable offense.

Please remember to make these forums an enjoyable place for everyone, without posting mature language or insults.

It seems the only ones getting insulted here are mods.

[Chemie]

I do not see why 8 D-DC (with 2LL, AC20 and streaks) could not defeat this (although it is doing it with nearly the same broken mechanics).

I mean, they have 3xSSRM vs 6xSSRm but have 2LL and AC20 to boot. In a close-up brawl, required by BAP, Atlas beat cats.

Edited by Chemie, 26 May 2013 - 04:54 AM.

[Artgathan]

Chemie, on 26 May 2013 - 04:53 AM, said:

I do not see why 8 D-DC (with 2LL, AC20 and streaks) could not defeat this (although it is doing it with nearly the same broken mechanics).

I mean, they have 3xSSRM vs 6xSSRm but have 2LL and AC20 to boot. In a close-up brawl, required by BAP, Atlas beat cats.

It comes down to maneuverability. With the XL 315 engine, an A1 moves at 86.4kph (with speed tweak). Combined with the jump jets and a competent pilot, slower mechs (such as the Atlas and Stalker) have a hard time bringing their guns to bear on the Catapult. Also, consider that these catapults are hunting in packs of 8 (all with similar looking paint schemes from the pictures), which means that acquiring and tracking the same target becomes a nightmare when there's 8 A1s jump jetting through the sky at 86.4kph.

Hands down the 8 D-DC does carry more firepower. If you got them and the A1s to line up and just shoot each other in the face while standing still the D-DC would definitely win. However that's not going to happen in a combat scenario. The A1s superior mobility is a large factor in what makes the chassis so dangerous.

[Huge]

Ah finally someone gets it. It doesn't matter how well other mechs can kind of boat streaks and carry ER meta cannons. Alphas are a null issue. I mean come one a Heavy mech with an 18 alpha?

It is when you got 8 of them running around in a massive crazy circle constantly jump jetting and stagger firing for endless screen shake. No amount of math warrior can simulate the utter chaos that ensues every time we run down the enemy ball

[Furmansky]

Huge, on 26 May 2013 - 05:13 AM, said:

Ah finally someone gets it. It doesn't matter how well other mechs can kind of boat streaks and carry ER meta cannons. Alphas are a null issue. I mean come one a Heavy mech with an 18 alpha?

It is when you got 8 of them running around in a massive crazy circle constantly jump jetting and stagger firing for endless screen shake. No amount of math warrior can simulate the utter chaos that ensues every time we run down the enemy ball

No
About same skilled D-DC Team vs 8 A1's .... Atlas will win
8ECM equals 8 BAP's, but BAP Has to close to 150m? if first BAP will be destroyed 7 BAP'S will not counter 8 close packed ECM's even at point blank range. Atlas will still have their 3 streaks available at range 270m. ER L.Lasers or even standard Large lasers will out-range heavily all streaks... Combined AC 20's will shred closing in cats doesn't matter how fast they are.
Since Atlas will have huge range advantage and no ammo limit Cats will have to play on Assault team terms not vice versa. AMS will as well slightly reduce impact of Cats. Calling targets in organized teams is not something super-skilled... All focus ALFA...

Every thing else is skill based, but to close in for Cats to well organized Atlas team without any loses would need some really bloody well timing, patience, organization, good terrain usage and hell of luck... speed on its own with jump jets will just get you killed.

Only thing cats could do if D-DC's would stay together is cap nothing more, buts smart team would just stay close to cap zone... two options basically there: Draw or Atlas Victory...

Edited by Furmansky, 26 May 2013 - 05:51 AM.

[Franchi]

Artgathan, on 26 May 2013 - 05:04 AM, said:

It comes down to maneuverability. With the XL 315 engine, an A1 moves at 86.4kph (with speed tweak). Combined with the jump jets and a competent pilot, slower mechs (such as the Atlas and Stalker) have a hard time bringing their guns to bear on the Catapult. Also, consider that these catapults are hunting in packs of 8 (all with similar looking paint schemes from the pictures), which means that acquiring and tracking the same target becomes a nightmare when there's 8 A1s jump jetting through the sky at 86.4kph.

Hands down the 8 D-DC does carry more firepower. If you got them and the A1s to line up and just shoot each other in the face while standing still the D-DC would definitely win. However that's not going to happen in a combat scenario. The A1s superior mobility is a large factor in what makes the chassis so dangerous.

Puts an XL in his streak cat?

HAHAHAHHA!