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[Bishop Steiner]

Kaylos Thex, on 05 June 2013 - 12:21 AM, said:

I hate to be "that" guy, but a "Luddite" is someone who hates progress and technology, not religion.

Hate to be "that guy" but look how it's used int context. For so many of the "enlightened" today, anyone who is religious, especially Christian is a throwback who apparently doesn't have any use in science, etc, hence the correct usage of the term Luddite in my post.

Don't give up your day job to be an English Professor just yet, lads.

[Bagheera]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 June 2013 - 06:46 PM, said:

until I actually find Heros taking over the Meta due to their "superiority" I have no issue. It certainly ain't happened yet. Heavy Metal and Misery were both screamed P2W.... and were laughably not.

Fair enough. I don't think it's been an issue so far because with the heavier mechs the weight trade off doesn't make the speed increase a specific advantage, in a flat out way. And the Cicada can't go full speed anyway due to the speed cap, so the x5 doesn't really help our examination.

I'm waiting for the hero Hunchie to drop to see where public opinion swings on the "hero mechs are faster" thing. On a 50 ton, the speed difference is quite significant and the weight trade off is far less of a factor. The Cent has a speedy Hero and a speedy regular version- Hunchie won't have that option. It will be interesting to see where they go with it.

So far though seems the balance is pretty good between the hero and standard mechs.

BUDFORCE, on 04 June 2013 - 10:23 PM, said:

Im seriously tempted to give this a go and make this my first hero mech.

Oddly, I am also tempted, almost.

Edited by Bagheera, 05 June 2013 - 06:39 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Bagheera, on 05 June 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

Fair enough. I don't think it's been an issue so far because with the heavier mechs the weight trade off doesn't make the speed increase a specific advantage, in a flat out way. And the Cicada can't go full speed anyway due to the speed cap, so the x5 doesn't really help our examination.

I'm waiting for the hero Hunchie to drop to see where public opinion swings on the "hero mechs are faster" thing. On a 50 ton, the speed difference is quite significant and the weight trade off is far less of a factor. The Cent has a speedy Hero and a speedy regular version- Hunchie won't have that option. It will be interesting to see where they go with it.

So far though seems the balance is pretty good between the hero and standard mechs.



Oddly, I am also tempted, almost.

I don't want speed on my Hero Hunch (when and if they make it, since the Founders might get pissy to have a Hero version superior to our "Special Edition" that ain't so special, lol.)

But what I do want, JJs would just as readily touch off the P2W cries. Though IMO, if it were to be based off the 4G, and make you choose between a Gauss go Boom in your torso, or the AC/20, I think it would not realistically be P2W. Since the 4G needs serious love to get in any kind of regular use, anyhow. Or maybe even the 4H. Swap it to Endo, give it an LB-X and JJs to go with it's 4 medium lasers.

Never gonna get it though, and so my HBK-4s will likely continue to gather dust, along with all my Founder's chassis.

[Sephlock]

I would gladly accept a Hero HBK-X that has a ballistic slot in each side torso, an energy slot in the head, and another in the middle torso.

[Roughneck45]

Ive been having fun with it so far.

Bought it for the paintjob lol but it has been pretty sucessful. 2 Mlas and dual gauss or AC40 are solid as always, but ive been enjoying 2 UAC5's and 6 Mlas lately.

Edited by Roughneck45, 05 June 2013 - 06:58 AM.

[Shae Starfyre]

Can we get this thread cleared of all dogmatic content please. All symbolism is nothing but symbolism; it only brings to your heart and mind that which you prescribe it; nothing more.

I LOVE THIS MECH!!!!

Edited by Aphoticus, 05 June 2013 - 08:11 AM.

[Finn McShae]

Ghost Badger, on 04 June 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

666 at the top, which, frankly, I think looks like a celtic triskel anyway.

That's what I thought it was initially. The whole hell/devil refrences were totally lost on me until people brought it up. I painted mine my standard blue/green and gray and its pretty much hard to tell what's on there. I would like, someday, to be able to toss other camo schemes on the heroes, I've been a big fand of the Buccaneer and like it on pretty much everything!

Edited by Finn McShae, 05 June 2013 - 08:35 AM.

[Bagheera]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 June 2013 - 06:45 AM, said:

I don't want speed on my Hero Hunch (when and if they make it, since the Founders might get pissy to have a Hero version superior to our "Special Edition" that ain't so special, lol.)

But what I do want, JJs would just as readily touch off the P2W cries. Though IMO, if it were to be based off the 4G, and make you choose between a Gauss go Boom in your torso, or the AC/20, I think it would not realistically be P2W. Since the 4G needs serious love to get in any kind of regular use, anyhow. Or maybe even the 4H. Swap it to Endo, give it an LB-X and JJs to go with it's 4 medium lasers.

Never gonna get it though, and so my HBK-4s will likely continue to gather dust, along with all my Founder's chassis.

As a Founder who's only (F) is the 4G, I still want a Hero Hunch.

Though I'm willing to wait until mediums aren't functionally "hard mode" anymore.

Edited by Bagheera, 05 June 2013 - 08:59 AM.

[Terror Teddy]

Sephlock, on 05 June 2013 - 06:49 AM, said:

I would gladly accept a Hero HBK-X that has a ballistic slot in each side torso, an energy slot in the head, and another in the middle torso.

And then we name it Armless Andy.

[Sephlock]

I was on the fence but in the end I decided it was a must have because of all the whining about poor, slandered, maligned Nero.

Heres to you Nero. May that biased **** Tacitus burn for his lies for all eternity.

[Terror Teddy]

MustrumRidcully, on 05 June 2013 - 12:47 AM, said:

Every Jagermech has 8 hard points so far.
JM6-A: 2 Energy, 2 Ballistic, 4 Missile => 8
JM6-DD: 6 Ballistic, 2 Energy => 8
JM6-S: 4 Energy, 4 Ballistic => 8

I think what he means is that every other hero mech usually have a few hardpoints pulled when they give the 30% cash bonus.

[MustrumRidcully]

Terror Teddy, on 05 June 2013 - 09:34 AM, said:

I think what he means is that every other hero mech usually have a few hardpoints pulled when they give the 30% cash bonus.

I've never noticed that they did.

The Death Knell has 4 energy hard points and 1 AMS hard point. The COM-1D has 2 energy and 2 missile hard points and an AMS hard point. The Com-2D has 1 energy, 3 missile, 1 AMS and 1 ECM hard point. The 3A has 2 energy and 2 missile hard poitns as well as an AMS hard point.
Only the COM-2D stands out, but a few weeks ago, ECM wasn't even a hard point.

Cicada X-5 has 4 energy and 2 missile hard points. CDA-2A has 6 energy and 1 AMS hard point. CDA-2B has 5 energ and 1 AMS hard point. CDA-3C has 4 ballistic, 1 energy and 1 AMS hard point. The 2A has more hard points than the X-5, but it also has more than the 2B.

Flame has 1 Ballistic, 4 Energy , 1 Missile, 1 AMS. Fang as 2 Ballistics, 3 Energy, 1 Missile, 1 AMS.
Dragon 5N has 3 Ballistic, 2 Energy, 1 MIssile, 1 AMS.


It seems to me the claim is simply wrong. Hero mechs do not generally have less hard points than their regular mech counter parts. They don't sacrifice anything for their C-BIll bonus.

[AlmightyAeng]

Terror Teddy, on 05 June 2013 - 09:34 AM, said:

I think what he means is that every other hero mech usually have a few hardpoints pulled when they give the 30% cash bonus.

Some do. Look at the other Heavy Heros. The Dragon's all have the same amount, Fang and Flame included. The Ilya has more than some, less than other Cataphracts.

I think it'd be accurate to say that, in returns for that 30%, other changes balance it out. Like the Firebrand having less torso twist than the other two ballistic-heavy Jagers.

[TheMadPoet]

I really want to buy it. Even had my mouse pointer hovering over the Buy MC button. Then I realized I'd have to spend $30 to get it and came to my senses. I think I'll stick to the non-hero variants.

[Sephlock]

This + 340 STD engine + 6x Mlas + the Seismic module =

[Terror Teddy]

MustrumRidcully, on 05 June 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:

It seems to me the claim is simply wrong. Hero mechs do not generally have less hard points than their regular mech counter parts. They don't sacrifice anything for their C-BIll bonus.

The YLW and the PB loose a lot of firepower in contrast to your examples so some mechs pay a heavy price.

[Mycrus]

DJDeath, on 29 May 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

666? I thought it was 999...

just noticed it recently... there was a reason why i hated this hero at 1st glance...